C8 Z06

The overwhelming majority of BIG Corvette dealers ARE selling at MSRP and will order exactly what the customer wants. Sadly, the guys that play games (while not doing what they should be) get the attention. When you look at the real volume Corvette dealers like Ciacca, McMulkin, and Criswell (these 3 sold, respectively, 1481, 1160, and 583 in 2021) verses Whittaker's 128 in 2021, it's obvious why the really big dealers sell in big numbers. MSRP and you order what you want, not what WE want.
GM was very clear before the first Z06 was made that Z07 package would be hard to get. That said, there are Z07 customer cars out there, I saw one the other day at City Chevrolet in Charlotte. And I agree that the regular Z06 is a much better looking car and no doubt will be plenty fast on a track.

 

Agreed
I got an preset in early enough at criswell
Dont mind waiting a year or two or 3.
if possible I’ll do the factory engine build thing too.

that’s a co yeast with porche who wont even take an order on a gt4rs regardless. It’s one thing keeping supplybye sion it’s another when your business is so good you don’t care about customers.

 

They only ever order 3LT to increase their Z06 allocations.
They usually ask $20K over for SR. They have 3 cars there for sale for ~10-14 days now and they are down to ~$10K over.
I bought my SR from them @ MSRP in November.
It will be interesting to see where their Z06 sells at, as well as the 3 SR.

 

@jimmyb
I just checked Kevin Whitaker C8 SR on autotrader and the orange one from yesterday is no longer listed. It was at $112K (~$10K over). So, I guess people are still paying ADMs for SR even though this is 3rd model year and interest rates climbing.
They have a Z06 for $100K ADM…been sitting about 10-14 days, will be interesting to see that price action.

 

Fast is corners, anyone can floor it along straights. Brakes and tires lasting is key to real sustained laptime speed, not to mention getting those corners fast is the skiil reward ratio of being ontrack..
The Camaro ZL1 1le runs goodyear eagle F1 supercar 3r. Those seem to last near 2-3 days of 3-3 hrs per day, on a near on 4000lbs car that runs same laptimes as 992Gt3.

Im guessing that either the tester is overdriving the vette, which is quite possible, and or they have an ultra soft compound to try get some zinger laptime. On that basis you could put slicks on car and say wow look at the laptime. What counts imo is a notionally street legal tire that lasts 2 days and clicks off competitive times, W'ell see what if any tire does that(lasts and competitive times) on a z06. Could be that same tires as the vette the camaro is as fast or faster. True with the spool valve shocks the camaro is only notionally streetable, and the vette is more or less comfy on street, but still.

I know in my lotus, if I carry a passenger on track there is a significant performance delta from that 200lbs which is say 9% weight addition, the biggest difference is in the corners. As it is the z06, great motor, great suspension geometry, and the motor transmission combo is geared for some great acceleration numbers up to 140ish. That weight is maybe working against it in other ways on track in terms of maintaining pace and even 1 lap performance. If that vette can loose 4- 500lbs that would make a profound difference and then were really talking, or maybe there are already tires that will last 2 days and click of competitive times. We shall hopefully soon see..

 

The Z06 Spider that I bought / took delivery was a dealer ordered car. They said there were several options that were on constraint at time of order (September). When the Z06 was released, GM purposely excluded the top dealers in the 1st round of allocation. They were basically telling them who’s boss. They are also forcing the large Dealers to have their buyers sign a document that will void the warranty if they sell within 6 months. My dealer was not told to have their buyers sign one (in fact when I showed their Corvette salesman the document, he had never seen it before). Plus the dealer charged me a mark up on the car they ordered. How would Chevy set the resale? I have been offered 50k over, but the real market is unknown. I think the early cars (2023 70th Anniversary) will be 50-100k over MSRP. We shall see.

 

Chevy is playing a short term game but in the long run, will lose sales. Its good for the smaller dealers now but the top 3 or 4 will still dominate sales and most will be at or near MSRP.

 

I was number 19 at a medium-sized dealer who has already been allocated 3 builds so I am now 16. No one has dropped off yet.

 

Seriously? GM was telling the Big 3, who kept the lights on in Bowling Green through slow sales of the C6 and C7, who's boss? That's quite a theory

PS. Ciacca, the top Corvette dealer in 2021, got 32 Z06's in 4th quarter 2022. As far as the other BIG dealers getting no cars, I think GM was getting the "little guys" out of the way early. Giving Criswell 2 Z06's doesn't even register based on how many people Mike has waiting.
But, again, that's a helluva conspiracy theory you've got there...

 

How many z06s are there “deposits” on. 20k 30k?

if gm waved a magic wand and said ok in next two years we’ll deliver all the orders, how many orders would there then be.

how big do we think the total z06 market will be over the next 5 years. Prob not
Much more than the total orders out there now .

 

There was a white Z06 @ Kevin Whitaker in Greenville, SC for $100K over. Sat for about 2 weeks. No longer listed today. So they probably got $100K ADM. SMH.

 

^^^
They probably won't see another Z06 until 2024. It's time for the BIG dogs to get fed!!!
And Whittaker ain't a BIG dog.

 

would still like to know the cause

Chevy Will Fix the Corvette Z06 That Popped Its Engine After 52 Miles
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42505195/chevy-to-fix-corvette-z06-engine-failure/

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52 miles and averaged 8 mpg ! Lots of high revs maybe

 

temporary 6500 rpm redline during 500-mile break-in period. sooo .......
..... and didn't he have salesman with him for half? the miles?
..... plus he's been an owner of multiple vettes I believe.
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1LZ Z06 with MSRP ~$113K sold at Mecum yesterday for $275K (including buyer’s premium).

 

Insanity.

 

Any hope I had of getting one within the next few years just evaporated.

 

Im thinking's that by 2026 the gotta have it crowd will have been largely sated and moved on tot he enxt gotta have it. By 27 you just know the oldies who bought these are going to be thinking of selling. 5 years from now these wills start becoming track rat cars.

The Zr1 and Zora are going to absorb all the gotta have it bandwidth when they come out.

Think of it another way, if the zr1 had come before the z06, they'd struggle to sell the z06 in apreciable numbers.

Total vette production is what 30k cars per year. GM can probably alter the mix(z06 Zr1,E-rey regular) pretty well over time. At 30K total units that market sates pretty quick. Remember when harleys were a 9 month wait, and then everyone who wanted one had one and production had to drop.

 

This car is just worth $200 to $250k sticker price. Its more desirable than porsche tts at that price. Then realize mc20, artura, etc is another step up in price. Will be long time before z06 sells regularly at $150k. (As long as reliability stays ok).

 

Crazy thing is the Stingray is now in third year of production (IIRC ~ 70K built) and a large percentage of them are stilling selling new over sticker, and the wait times for ordering new are commonly 12+ months.
As a result I think the craziness for the Z06 will persist for 4-5+ more years as @boxerman stated. I am mid 500’s on the waitlist at Stingray Corvette (MSRP dealer) in FL and I doubt very much I’ll be getting a Z06 before ‘26 model year.
I’m willing to pay $25K over MSRP for a well optioned Z06, that would put the price at ~$175K. That is about as high as I am willing to go for a non-limited edition GM product.
In fact, while I think the FPC engine is fabulous, I like my SR so much I am not sure if the Z06 is worth nearly two SRs. The LT2 engine has great low end grunt, makes a great sound (apart from the annoying ticking for the injectors) and has a 0-62 time of 2.9 sec (about the same as the Speciale). The SR is a fun car to drive, and carves up the NC mountain roads with verve and precision. In fact, yesterday I over cooked a decreasing radius right handed turn and broke the ass end out. The traction control reigned it right back in with no worries and I kept charging on. I have driven many miles on these very tight and challenging roads in my 991.2 GT3, Speciale, 812SF, 458 Spider, and 488 Spider and I can say without any hesitation that my SR handles as well as that auspicious group to within an expected standard deviation. In other words they all have their nuances to be learned and the SR runs in that same scatter plot grouping.

 

My deposit on a zo6 is sort of like playing the lottery; I'm only slightly more likely to get one (anytime soon) than if I had no deposit on one.

I have a morbid tendency to not defer toy purchases half a decade into the future, but can't swing a $130k+ car. I can enjoy my c8 and throw money at my karting exploits for much less and not lose any sleep over it.

I'm pretty sure I'll have my dealership order another c8 with the deposit I have on the z06 before interest rates change the landscape too much.

 

To your points, one could technically keep something like an F430 and a SR, still save money, and have the best of both worlds.

 

IMO GM is sending more cars to smaller dealers than the Big 4 because the smaller dealers can sell them at $50k over pretty easily. The big 4 are probably MSRP.

We all know the dealers are in rough shape so this is a strategic move by GM to help them in the short run. Otherwise what they are doing makes zero sense.

 

wanna buy a second hand Z06? .... here's a reference. for a 1LZ ???!!! ...... "I know what I've got" ...... good gawd ..... warranty? maybe dealer car?

2023 Z06 1LZ sells for $275,000 at Mecum
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2023/01/14/2023-corvette-z06-sells-at-mecum-kissimmee-2023-for-275000/

Corvette Forum
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c8-z06-zr1-zora-discussion/4700010-z06-on-mecum-auction.html

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