Another data point on the C8 Z06 resale market (even pre 6 months of initial ownership)...
Once the $50K premium gets cemented that should spell the end for $100K premiums…then down to $25K soon hopefully. Once the premiums become thin then I think the flippers will run on to greener pastures and *fingers crossed* the supply of Z06s will dramatically increase rapidly as the waitlists thin out and cars start getting into the hands of enthusiasts. There are only so many enthusiasts willing and able to spend >$130K on a toy car…much smaller pool than the investors looking for a short term profit. I’m predicting this time next year there will be a dramatically different feeling about getting your hands on a Z06 (compounded by the fact many will pivot to the E-Ray as well).
All about traction. Having the engine located rearward just allows the car to put down the power better and faster, with less parasitic drivetrain loss. This is also why a Porsche Turbo S is such a giant slayer on the dragstrip.
other cars at track above. 1. McLaren Senna, 1.40,8 Minuten 2. Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, 1.43,3 Minuten 3. Manthey-Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR, 3.1.43,5 Minuten 4. Tikt-Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro, 1.45,1 Minuten 5. Porsche 911 GT3 (992) Manthey-Performance-Kit 1.45,4 Minuten 6. McLaren 720S, 1.45,5 Minuten 7. Porsche 911 GT3 (992), 1.45,8 Minuten 8. Ferrari 488 Pista, 1.45,9 Minuten 9. a-workx-Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2), 1.46,0 Minuten 10. McLaren 765LT, 1.46,2 Minuten ... ... Mercedes-AMG GT R 1.48,5 min Lamborghini Huracán STO: 1.48,6 min Lamborghini Huracán Evo: 1.49.0 min Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C8): 1.49,1 min BMW M4 CSL: 1.50,1 min Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S 4-Türer (Cup 2): 1.52,8 min Porsche 911 Carrera 4 GTS (992): 1.53,3 min MTM Audi RS6 1001 PS (C8): 1.53,4 min
i think the time seems not wrong. lo0ook at what the cars which were faster than it it actually were.
I thought so too. We know its not Mclaren 765 fast, and a Gt3 MR is its own animal. the question to answer now is can it sustain pace, or what gets consumed how fast when it sustains pace. The Cup 2r tires are great for 2-3 hero laps, then they go off the boil, they also dont last. Will be very interesting to see what this car does with something like Hoosiers, and also what the regular z06 does in comparison with same tires. Imo at this level of acceleration and potential grip, the differences between cars are more about the differences between drivers., because most of these cars are beyond where 99,5% of drivers can take them on track. That then comes back to how well this car can sustain multiple laps at full chat, cause its clearly in the ballpark in terms of potential laptimes, so what we're wanting to know is how well it can sustain over 2 days(namely tires and pads). is this really a track capable road car like a Gt series porche, or is it a a supercar that can sort of track on occasion for some hero laps, like lambo Aventor Ferraris etc..For road its clearly in the lambo ferrari exotic category on engine and layout alone.
Here we go again. That question has already been answered. It can actually do many laps without fall off. Surprise, surprise. Track Day Hero: C8 Z06 Is a Passing Machine at Circuit of The Americas - CorvetteForum
Yah I agree. The Z06 is a bit heavy. A lighter car would be easier on the tires longer. And also easier on the brakes. Now just wait until the "electric age" of trackable sports cars. Tires won't last at all.
They're going to need significant jump in battery energy density to have an electric trackable car. According to mclaren matching the performance of a senna (assuming 1/2 our on track/20 min recharge 4-5x per day) will take an 8 fold increase in battery energy density. You can take a 35 mpg lotus to the track and see 8mpg. On track as you know one is using 90-100% of avialable power, 100% of the time. On road we use 15% of available power 90% of the time, and rarely 100%. That 250mile range electric car is going to maybe go 50 miles on track before it deplets assuming that it does not go into some sort of limp mode before, weight is but one issue to resolve for an electric track car. I can see ice surviving for track machines for decades to some, thats one reason porche got the eu to accept e-fules. The z06 needs to loose 3-500lbs, not fake it with some cf and cf wheels.. Prob not that difficult, theres like 50-80lbs to loose in the seats alone. The weight is a consequences of budget, size and comfort(to satisfy the faithful in their 70's). In a younger persons car things like lightweight cf shell bucket seats(as seen in BMW M2/3/4 series) are acceptable. Thinner glass, less insulation and scrapping of some frippery does the rest.
Savage geese video was awesome. No excuses comparison test like British mags do for years finale. Team vette and gt3 along for the ride using tire warmers no less! What car they both are. And I agree with their conclusion too. Vette is better all around car and value for 95% drivers 95% time. But gt3 is for that tiny minority who can get to 10\10s and willing sacrifice the tradeoffs gt3 makes all the rest of the time to get there. Wow
interesting to see a real compro. The datta is also really interesting, the Gt3 was significant faster into and through the bends, the z06 made up the difference on the straights, thats pure hp. now for a z08 version with spherical bushings, lightweight seats less sound deadening etc, lets loose some lard from ths car, in other words what z06 used to be when the number came out in the 60's. Still who would have thought the day would come where a vette is a legit competitor to a hot porche. Just consider the differences between the two marques in the 70's and 80s. the vette team sure have closed the gap. If you don't go to the track a whole lot the z06 is clearly the better car, other than maybe for pose value, thats the great thing about the vette, way less negative stigma.
Welp, my dealer told me they want $80k over. I’m not paying $260k for a corvette. No way no how. Looks like I’m moving onto something else.
Give it more time. The margin will loosen up in another 6-12 months now that production has largely stabilized.
Agree! On MECF there is a thread tracking daily Z06 production. Recently it has jumped with days reporting 50-63 Z06s built per day. If you take a conservative view that they will consistently build 50 per day (obviously supply chain issues need to be considered), and there are 6 work days per work (IIRC they added Saturday shifts), and let’s say the factory is closed for 6 weeks of the year that yields 46 work weeks = 276 work days; and thus (276)x(50)= 13,800. Now, just for sake of being a very conservative pessimist multiply that number by 75% (factory down 25% from optimal manufacturing capability, despite already granting them 6 non-working weeks) and you get 10,300. There is NO WAY those ADMs are going to hold! I predict this time next year ADMs will be on average $25K over, if that. Since these numbers make me happy I’d love it if someone would prove my assumptions overly optimistic to bring me back down to reality.
seems like in year 1 there are a whole lot of people who just gotas have it. There are a number of people who pay 3-500k for a ferrari porche etc. If they want z06 now they're paying 50-100k over. in 2 years time when the bloom has worn off and were 10-16k z06s in, these will be msrp cars if that. As you say its a corvette, and not too dissimilar looking to a regular c8. There was ample speculation when this car was announced that base was going to be 80-90k. Since then we've had inflation and Gm is pricing a premium on top of that. The pool of buyers is not so large as current premiums indicate, its year 1 madness.
I think were looking at numbers along the lines of previous z06's, ie 6-8k units, but who knows maybe they can make more. Either way, if tis 7k units within 2 years the backlog is gone. in fcat once premiums shrink to not worthwhile, well see some of those multiple orders drop off, replaced maybe by some new buyers. Also given the age demographic of vette buyers, theyre have to be more than a few who are not waiting 3 years. At 250k which seems to be a z07 price currently, youre into a MC 20 and a little stretch to a hurrican..
Agreed. Using Car and Driver Lightning Lap, the C8 Z06 is nearly 7 seconds faster per lap than the Huracan Evo, but 1/10th slower in the Sport Auto's lap times... Also, It was reported on numerous sites that it was 2 degrees C (35.6 degrees F) on the day of the test. The Savage Geese comparison (Z06/GT3) is a GREAT piece of REAL information.
Got another call from the dealer I bought my C8 from 2 years ago at MSRP. He said he had a slot available for a Z06 with the Z07 package. They still want $50k over list. Told him I don't want the Z07 package, and will wait until they get my number (11) on their list. So far they have delivered 3 Z06's. Hopefully in another year they will be back to list price.
Speed phenon who youre referencing above is saying his tires were shagged within a day and rotors toast in 5 days, according to him his 600lt costs significantly less to run on track than the z06 due to weight/consumables.. in addition the faliure of a tpms sensor almost put him out of cation as the car went inot limp over that. So far there is zero evidence the z06 can sustain. However there are some buyers who will track theirs this summer so we'll see.
