C8 Z06

Sounds like it.

Also looks like they will have produced over 600 z06s this month, dont know if thats sustainable. But it seems Gm is intent on producing as many z06s as they can, why not its got to be more profitable than a regular stingrey and thye made 7k odd c7 z06s per year, I cant see them planning for less of these..

 

Regarding Z06 prices. They may be a reflection of the overall used exotic market. I feel like 458 prices are starting to moderate, and I think Z06 prices will reflect that. It's reasonable to think that a lot of people are choosing this as a more affordable and reliable option to the 458. At least that's how I feel about it. A flat plane crank NA V8 that I can customize to my desire and has a warranty for $130k? Yes, please. However, a Z06 or 458 for about $200k? I'll take the 458 all day long. Not that I don't think the Z06 is still awesome; I'd still want one. Just that IMO the 458 is a much more special car, and the one I had a poster of in my bedroom.

 

You are a hack. Any production car that can do a day in stock form is impressive. Keep moving the goal post for your own needs.

 

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/video-new-corvette-z06-puts-supercars-to-shame-in-track-battle-it-s-unbelievably-fast-213984.html

 

Just let this sink in…unbelievable.


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This result is almost too good to be true. How is it that much faster than competition here esp given its down 40 up over usa version? Didn't beat gt2rs or pista lap times like this in other tests like lightning lap. Weird

 

Clearly you have a lot of experience.

 

It's an amazing time. Of course, all the "experts" have said that C&D LL favors a car like the C8 Z06..."Let's see what it does on a "technical" track". Now we look at a time on a "technical" track...and it knocks it out of the park.
No question the doubters will cook up a new wrinkle.
Or, heaven forbid, just accept that Chevrolet has made a GREAT car.

 

No, the next riposte meme will be "well, yeah, but can it do it for 10 laps without overheating in 120F with 100% humidity on the surface of the sun?"

 

Especially amazing since done in France and you know they don’t want a Yank’s car to embarrass anything from the EU.

 

^^^
Amen to that!

 

Whats funny unfortunate about the magazine potificating armchair experts here is the the guys over on the vette forum are far more knowledgeable, open minded honest etc cause they have actual experience with these cars on track.

in the vetet community it is assumed through c7 that to make the car work optimally on track you have to do some mods. Its also understood that these cars will eat tires and brakes.Thats the record of the Fe cars and one of the stated reasons they went to a me format.

Now on to the c8,z06 no one knows how the car will sustain for multiple laps(iIm not refering to mechanicals rather consumables). The only evidence so far is speed phenom, and he says his 600lt costs less to run cause it does not eat 2.5k worth of tires in a day(thats weight), he has also said that after something like 8 days his expensive rotors were on their way out. Now it may be that speed phenom is not a graet driver and overdrives the car causing it to eat tires. We dont know. Or it could be true in whgich case the z06 is as expesive as it gets to run on track, and therby not really a trackable car, even billionaires respect $. .

We;ll know more this summer when some practiced hands start using these cars in earnest and report back. ill eb really inetrested to ehar whjat sainthoo here has to say when he gets his, and there are some guys over on the vette forum gettign theirs and going to the track.

as to temps, no one has said the car will overheat (the c7 z06dfamously did).. What I and others are questioning is its weight and hp indicate that it may and I stress the word may consume tires pads and rotors at a rate that makes zero sense for a car to really track. there are lots of cars that also fit in this category, pretty must most ferraris and other exotics. Its one thing to build a car that can knock it out the park fo a few laps, and quite anoter to build a car that can really run on track, those who dont get this display their ignorance. A porche turbo will smoke aGt3 for 3 lapos, but its nott he track car for some very valid reasons.

my use cycle is no different from any number of other people who seriously track. 5x30 mins per day, and when youre out there you should not have to slow down every few laps to let tires or brakes cool down, thats the stadard any lotus elige or Gt series porche can meet.. I dont question that the car can mechanically handle it, nor do others, although prior vetts left a question mark.

i dont care about magazine jerkoff pieces to thill the old guys so they can brag about what their car "can do". Im buying az06 to use and use on track. therefore its important to me to understand whats involved in having the car really work on track, thats very different to 3 fast laps for a magazine on tires that go off the boil shortly thereafter, its a great stunt, it implies potential, it does not answer the rest, and the clue is they dotn test 15 lapos 4 per day, cause most cars wouldnt come close to hacking it.

i fully expect to have to change some parts to have the vette work optimally ontrack, and apparently if the vette forum is any example so do other vette buyers who have bene tracking ,multiple vettes for years. there's nothing excetional about that, we do it on lotus, BMW guys do it, the question is the degree and type of mods necessary.

But uyeah clearly there is vast market for guys who buy cars on what they read it can do.

i think the z06 is great, thats why Im getting one, i also see they compromised maybe a bit too much to make it comfy enough for some duffers, same as ferrari, after all most who can afford these cars are past it and its more of a how it makes me feel knowing what i have thing. i get that. I'm interested in what really happens when the rubber meets the asphalt in earnest, a magazine test only tells us the potential for a few laps.

 

What does a Mac Senna cost? Like $2M?

 

The number of guys on the "vette forum" that actually TRACK their cars is pretty small. There are those that do "parade laps" at Daytona, etc... and call that "tracking the car". I searched Speed Phenom's posts and could not find the quote where he said it was cheaper to track his 600LT than the Z06. Please point me in the right direction to that quote as I find that very hard to believe. As far as the brakes, he's just eyeballing them, the ONLY way to determine when it's time to replace CCB rotors is by weighing them and he has not done that.

 

Ill find you the video when I get the time tomorrow.
Seems like more people there track their cars than they do here.
Also makes sense as there are a lot more vettes, so even a small percentage adds up.

in genral ccbs are not a practical idea for tracking, unless you're in F1 with an unlimited budgert.

 

As others here say when the see a time they dont like, different days different drivers. What all the times/tests tell us is the vette is in the hunt with the rest of the pack for 3 laps.

 

I wish jimmyb and boxerman will give each other a big hug and make up. We all love vettes, that is clear.
I respect and enjoy both of your contributions very much!

 

Seems to me (just my opinion) if you can track the car "all day" on the same set of tires, without brake fade so severe that rotors need to be replaced ... then that is a VERY track-able car!

This is a FAR cry from a magazine car withering or collapsing after "3 hot laps" ... so let's not conflate "fail after 3 hot laps" with the "ability to track all day".

Again, just my opinion.

 

Not mad at him at all...but the same old "too heavy, eats brakes, eats tires, etc" lecture on literally every page of this thread, has gotten really old, for me, at least.
Say it once, I got it. Say it 100 times...well, that's just boring (and unproven).
As they say:
"You're entitled to your opinion, but not your facts"

 

In my opinion, there is not a truly FAST street car (Z06/GT2RS/GT3/RS/720S/etc) that you can track ALL DAY on the same set of tires, without a pronounced lack of performance mid to end of the 2nd session. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. A 992 GT3RS, with nearly a TON of downforce is certainly lighter than a C8 Z06, but that much downforce is going eat tires alive.

 

Just watched mischa 992 gt3rs n ring video and he or bergmeister said downforce helps prevent tire wear by preventing tire slide, squirm, etc. Their car lapped ring non stop 2 days with no loss performance. True or just Porsche pr hyperbole? Who knows

 

Here is the speed pehnom video I was referencing. You can skip to 7:30 if you wish where he references tire wear..
MY $20,000 Z06 BRAKE PROBLEM... *THE CLOCK IS TICKING* - YouTube

 

No one said fail. The word used is fade, as in inability to maintain pace. If you go to the track, for many of us its a 2 day event esp if youre travelign distance to go to some great tracks. As such, the car needs to be able to last those two days, by last I mean not significantly fade. If car uses up 2.5k worth of tires in less than 2 days thats a big practical issue, if its using up brakes so replacemt cost works out to 1k per day(percentage of rotor and pad life divided by replacement cost) thats a big issue too, certainly in comparison to what the competition can do for the same or similar pace, and for that matter basic logioc..

To analogize. In any race series there are qualifying laps, that's to get pole position etc. For qualifying they can use super soft tires and whatever oter setup gets the lowest track time, it all only has to work for a few qualifying laps. A race setup where going the distance with competitive time is is very different.. Thats the analogy to a magazine lap test, ie qualifying setup. The analogy, if you go to the track we're not running qualifying laps, the car needs to last(consumables) 2 days of 5x30 mins at a competitive pace, thats what other can do..

Lastly since were not race teams with unlimited budgets evrything has a rationality, and for that matter a logistic.
If you drive the car to the track, then doing a wheel swap tire change is not a realistic proposition, additionally even billionaires who track their Ferraris swap to iron rotors caiuse no one wants to be spedign15k on brakes that add meaningfully little. If and Im sayign if, over 10 or 20 days you need 15k worth of rotors and 5k worth of pads, then thats not really competitive.

When one tracks seriously/religiously(as opposed to an occasional de event well below a cars capacity) there are a number of factors. Cost to run a car on track and the ability of the car to sustain pace on track. Or put another way then, cost per lap, and number of laps that car can sustain at full pace, plus the logistics of not needing to do much for two days. . Fundamentally thats the use cycle, cost that many of us who seriously track look at, its one proche camaro and even honda have built cars for . For sure a pure track car is better at this, but were talking drive to the track cars and comparisons here.

From my personal actual; experience and direct observation (not opinion) a Gt4 Gt4 camaro, can sustain for those 2 days while running competitive (ie full pace) lap times all day. The porches and camros are available with iron rotors and thats what serious track guys run for very valid reasons so its offered. The prior vette I saw that could pull this use cycle off was a Gs and thats why they made the Gs, the c7 z07 was more of a few lap wonder. In the end serious track guys run what works, which is why after a few years we saw more and more camaros showing up. But then the 1le camaro is a seriously focused car quite different to a regular zl1.

Its is an undoubted and proven fact that the z06 can run great/competitive/in the ballpark/faster(depending on video) "qualifying laps". What we dont know is how well it can sustain. I'm raising that question and getting vitriol(not from you)and opinions (not based on posters track experience) in response. So far no one really has that experience to share with a z06. The only real(sustained lap) experience we've seen posted is speed phenom, he says its much more expensive to run than his 600lt(a car not cheap to run) and tires to get those competitive laps are shagged before 2 days.

There is a vast difference (that may not be appreciated) between a car that can run some really fast laps or even a single nuerbering lap time, and a car really useable on track. PorcheGT3/4 Camaro zl11lt, are really useable on track out the Box, not opinion, proven fact. Ferrais Lambos etc are not useable out the box on track, even if they can run single fater qualifying laptimes, note "useable" does not mean thy cannot go on track in a club event.

It could be, and Im using the word "could" that the z06 is like a ferrari lambo etc, except its reliable and works. It remains to be proven/observed/posted etc that it is also imbued with the qualities that make a Gt3 or zl1 1lt good for track. Neiter you nor I nor any poster here knows the answer, Im looking for that answer, and so far no one has that experince to share with this car, except those who developed it, and maybe speed pehnom, all of whom are also in the marketing business.

the c7 zl1 could apprently run even a faster laptime, but even by the vtte teams admission that was for very few laps as it ate tires, thats supposedly one of the reasons the c8 is such an improvement. But the c8 is also heavy and imbued with many compromises for comfort that are a function of drawing the line in one place and not another. Those compromises may well wrok against it on track past 3 or 4 laps in ways that are not apparent based on the reviews posted so far.

For those of us who are A. havig deposits and buying this car, and B, going to the track with it more that just very occasionally these are valid questions and comparisons. Ill end by saying the vette team is touting this car as the vette for the track guy. Lets see, there are valid questions, and so far no clear answers.

Im trying to predict the naysayer here, so the next question is yeah the vette is way cheaper than car x or y. True, but not way cheaper, once you're paying 150k 200k not that different. What really matters is cost to run per lap)is it under 2k per day or well over 3k, and the logistics or running multiple laps for 2 days, plus sustained lap time.

My current track car is 1.5k to run per day, that includes yearly costs, (truck gas to get to track etc) and inevitable rotor changes amortized in(I do serivce at home). The vette will cost more to run for sure, but maybe with a 10k ap racing brake upgrade should be ok in that consumable department, the question then is what else it will need, do tires last a practical 2 days, and what bits if any will wear out when or break. Since Im alas not first on the order list, Im hoping someone who is practiced had and actually using theirs will chime in sometime with facts.

in the meantime, there are also others here, who have actual relevant experience on track, posting similar questions maybe more gently than me, those without the experince may want to just read and learn.

For those who want to jump down my throat, for the love of god, these care cars were talking about, not your first born son, chill out.

 

I raced a C5z06 in SCCA for many years. Then I sold it for a mustang. I did not like themustang sold it and now back racing C5Z06 in SCCA. The C5 and C6 are really like C6 is version C5 2.0. The C7 is a new car but still very front engine Vette. The C5, C6, and C7 are close in evolution where the C8 is revolutionary for corvette. Each model was a fine street car of its day just like the C8 is now and C8Z will prove to be. They will have growing pains as streetcars as all cars do. Best of breed is rarely the 1st one off the assembly line and often the last ones off the assembly line. To track you need some mods. All cars do. The GT3 is probably closest to not needing anything to track but to race it like any other street car you need more mods. I'm not talking go fast mods I'm talking reliability mods like oil and radiator cooler sizing or in the extreme dry sumps on raced LS3's. In the C5z06 as a streetcar brakes lasted for 1000's of miles. I don't know how long because I did not use any vette as a streetcar for any length of time. But as a racecar low level amateur SCCA we destroyed race pads in 1 weekend and cracked the front rotors on day 3. That made for lots of work every weekend. When real race brakes were allowed pads lasted me 4 race weekends and rotors all year.

Weight eats consumables. One of the reasons I back in the C5Z is capacity. In the earliest SCCA touring classes race configuration we ran the chassis at 3180lb off the track and max weight 3550lb off the track. That's a pretty wide range easy to attain for amateur racers. Unlimited classes got those weight numbers way below 3180. I will assume the C8Z will have similar ease of range capacity. The C8 chassis is very light I suspect. It is all the nonsense added to cars that jack the weight up to ridiculous levels. My 550 maranello is pushing 3800lbs! It probably has 800lbs of stuff you don't need. I like the vettes because they are sort of like swiss army knives..you can do a lot with them.

 

Ah...so physics don't apply to Porsche....
It's good to be king.