Thank you Tom now the gearbox is like new as well as the tyres and because the weather is great I've been trying to recover the two lost months and enjoying my Cali as much as I can. Tomorrow I'm driving her to a wedding which takes place 200 Km away from were I live but, just in case, my wife is driving another car LOL. Hope you've been enjoying your Cali .
I just ordered a set of the MPSS tonight's as well. I like getting a new set of rubber when I get a new car.
That's awesome. My wife asked whether you'd have a following car even before I mentioned it. It's clear that we've both won the wife lottery! 😀 Enjoy your Cali, and post a few pics...T
I disagree on the MPSS, they are great when they are heated up, and they last longer than PZeros. But in temperatures of say 50 degrees F they become VERY slippery! PZero's don't last as long but until you hit snow they stick even when cold. MPSS are dangerous when cold. I was getting on an expressway entrance after driving about 2 miles on a cool day and the Cali rear went right out from under me bad without even pushing it in the entrance turn. It scared me. It was my 2nd Cali, the first I sold with over 30,000 PZero miles (I certainly don't lack California driving experience ) and the with second Cali order I failed to specify PZero so the MPSS were on the car at delivery. 30 days after delivery I had this incident and threw away the MPSS for new PZeros and the problem went away. Now, my FF has MPSS in the summer, again they last much longer, and I just warm them up a bit if it is chilly out. Given all of that, they are all dangerous in snow so for winter I switch both cars to SottoZeros.
Agree, PZeros and the MPSS are classed as summer tires and should not be used if the outside ambient temperature is below 45 degrees. Anything less than that and you should use winter rated tires. Also in my experience above 45 degrees the MPSS last longer than the PZeros and have better grip in damp/wet conditions. Mario, the sound continues to get better and better How was the road trip?
^ Rick... When you say 50 F, do you mean ambient temperature or tire temperature? I have MPSS on my 911 and 50 F (dry) is the temp at which I start thinking about grabbing the pickup truck instead of the Porsche. Living in Dallas, with our mild winters, I can make it through the year with one set of tires. I've been out in temps as low as mid-40s, but those were sunny, dry days, just driving on the surface streets, nothing spirited. I've just installed MPSS on my Cali, but have not gone through a winter yet on them. Am hoping that I can continue to pile up the miles once it starts cooling off here...T
Jason, this road trip was different from anything I've done before with my Cali. A sunny and dry day driving in a very good motorway that has several sections with really long straights and three lanes. Put the Victor V1 radar detector on and because my wife was not aboard I decided was the time to test my Cali with the new types. What's normally a 2 hour trip was done in 1 hour and 10 minutes because we spend some long periods at 200 Km/hour and its amazing how at this speed the car felt so good and safe making the ride extremely comfortable. In one long straight I pressed down and when she reached 270 Km/hour my soon only words were "Dad you are exaggerating a little bit ". Almost reaching the end of the trip and I see in the mirror just behind and teasing us a Jaguar F type and obviously I couldn't let down our Ferrari family. Pressed the accelerator to the bottom look by the mirror and the Jaguar suddenly got really small so I thought that we've had enough for the day slowed down and let him pass.
^ Excellent. 😀 It is amazing how well the car just cruises at 100 mph. At low speeds, it seems almost unhappy. Would be fun to cruise at high speed for extended periods out in west Texas, although I do need a radar detector. Am glad the new tires and transmission are serving you well...T
Interesting. If find the complete oposite to be the case on our 458. As for discussing what the tyres cannot do below their designed temp range, is to me at least, a bit of a moot point. I find the PZero to be noisy, skiddish in the wet, and difficult on the limit. Can't see any upsides. Something else I don't really understand here is this. According to my dealer, the Cali never came with the MPSS, but rather the old Pilot Sport PS2. The MPSS K2 spec for the Cali(Cali T was not available until some time into the Cali T production. This also coincides with the fact that I've never seen MPSS K spec tyres in the Cali size until recently.
That was my experience, too, when I had a Cali. My car came with P-Zeros and I swapped them for MPSS. The MPSS had better grip, were more predictable at the limit, rode better and were quieter. I have to add that it was rare that I drove them hard in sub-50 degree F weather, though.
Yup. Also got PZero's on my 991 DD. Besides the other things mentioned, they flatspotted if they sat for less than a week as well and showed the cracks some have experienced in the sidewalls(all four tyres). The tyres were on my car less than a year before I couldn't stand them anymore and simply bit the bullet and swapped them. It's also interesting that many F12 owners find their cars settle down and get more manageable after switching to MPSS.
Parallel universe! I switched from the OEM P-Zeros on my 991 Turbo DD to MPSS after I found they lacked predictability at the limit on track, even with Porsche's mega electronic and mechanical chassis controls and all-wheel drive. It did take getting a couple of flat tires to convince me, though, as besides being rather noisy and not riding particularly well, the P-Zeros were fine for daily driving.
As referred before I tested my Cali for the first time with the Michelin's Pilot Super Sport at high speed on dry roads and I'm absolutely impressed with the grip and the softness. After the first showers of the season came down tested them as well on a wet road and what a difference there is to the Bridgestones Potenza. The Potenza's lack of grip I've always felt before on wet roads and which frightened me a lot several times, is a completely different story with the MPSS. After driving the first tight bend I could immediately tell the MPSS's have a much far superior grip on the wet road and that permanent lack of confidence I always felt while driving with the Potenza tires in this conditions kind of disappeared with the new MPSS. Because the MPSS are summer tires when I mentioned they inspire a much greater confidence while driving on the wet road surface that doesn't mean that I'm even thinking of trying to find out what's their grip limit on this kind of conditions. In fact the only thing I want on my Cali is a set of tires that feel relatively soft and comfortable, grip like glue on a dry road and never let me down on a wet road as far as I'm doing a conscious driving. Despite of the fact that I only had the MPSS for a couple of weeks I'm beginning to feel they're the ones.
MDEL, thanks for sharing your experience. I literally just took delivery of a 2014 Cali last night and drove it for the first time today. I'm so excited and love the car (my first Ferrari), but it did seem to ride a little rough. I've always been a Micheline fan and was thinking I might retread the car with them. They are currently shod with the BPs. After reading everyone's posts I'm a little more serious about doing it even though the BPs have plenty of life left in them.
Seems there is multiple versions of Pirelli P-Zero and multiple versions of Michelin. Seems the Pilot Sport 4 S tire rates well.
What are you running on your Cali? I had Pirelli P-Zero when it was delivered, but they were worn out. Replaced them with MPSS, and have hard lots of good things about the new Michelin 4s, albeit mostly from the 911 crowd...T
P-Zero now. But they are done with only 12K miles. I'm going to put the Pilot Sports 4s. Sounds like the best tire for performance vehicle. The Cup 2 are really for track and dry days. I drive my car every day, rain or shine, I don't want a tire that does not perform in the rain.
When I had my Cali I changed the Bridgestone's to the 2016 PSS and it was a very noticeable difference for better. Interestingly I also had before on my F12 the Pirellis P-Zero but I went through a couple of experiences on dry asphalt that really frightened me. Again and because I didn't trust the P-Zeros, I changed to the 2017 PSS. Grip and smoothness improved considerably and certain vibrations that existed before aren't there any more. According to some testimonies I've read from owners who are using the PSS4s they say they are even better than the PSS and with that change you can't be wrong.
Had a set of reasonably worn P-zeros on the Cali-T HS which I really didnt trust at all - Have just put a new set of Michelin Pilot4S K2 and omg what a difference - straight line stability is bang on and I reckon it will hard to knock it off line it feels that secure - I;m sure if I go a little bonkers with it I can get it to kick out but I have so much mroe confidence in the car now - Brilliant result and thanks for the advice on the forum which helped me to decide which way to go
My Cali came with Continental Extreme Contact Sport and I brought to track so far 5 times this a summer and handle well in my opinion…. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I have a tendency to avoid heavy brake usage because of the high cost of pad/rotor replacements. I’d be very interested to know how your brake pads are holding up after track usage. Also, how hard did you use the brakes during those track sessions? Thanks.
