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"California car" emissions ??

Discussion in '308/328' started by keithblackwell, Jul 21, 2006.

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  1. keithblackwell

    keithblackwell Karting

    Jul 7, 2006
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    St. Louis
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    Keith Blackwell
    How does the emssions control, on a California car differ from any of the others? Does it rob a LOT of H.P.... or just a little? Can it be removed and still pass inspection in other states? What are my options? Would it hurt the "originality/value" if i removed any or all of it?

    Or do you just live with it? I'm not looking for a race car by any means...but if it's not needed, then.......

    BTW: it's a 78' GTS carb
     
  2. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

    Jun 20, 2003
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    To my knowledge, CA 308s had the same emissions equipment as all the other states, but tweaking everything to pass is a little harder.

    In most states, a '78 doesn't need to pass emissions anymore. It is not technically legal to remove the emissions gear but.....lets just say that sometimes the gear gets "lost."

    Birdman
     
  3. KraigG

    KraigG Formula 3

    May 25, 2006
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    California has frozen smog exemptions at the 1975 MY.

    It's very frustrating!
     
  4. keithblackwell

    keithblackwell Karting

    Jul 7, 2006
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    Keith Blackwell
    I forgot to mention, I DO NOT live in CA, but the car is from there...I am in NC
     
  5. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

    Oct 16, 2004
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    Aaron
    The CA Emissions approval was essentially another test performed at the end of the assembly lines that non-CA cars didn't get. Catalytic convertors are catalytic convertors, and an air pump is an air pump.

    If a car is set up to run properly, and has all necessary emissions equipment, it can pass SMOG anywhere. California's limits on CO, HC, and NOx just happen to be lower than most other states...

    To answer your question, though - if a car has to be tested with a "sniffer" (i.e., anything that analyzes exhaust gasses), regardless of state, you'd be hard-pressed to get the car to pass w/o cats or a functional air pump. That's not to say that you can't test it and then take it home, remove the cats and replace with straight pipes, and take the belt off the air pump.
     
  6. LNR

    LNR Karting

    Apr 28, 2005
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    Chino, CA
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    Lyndon
    If I recall, 76-77 308s were non-cat engines. How are these cars doing on smog tests in CA. Owners chime in as I am in CA and very interested in an older car. I'm hoping for a 75 or older but if a non-catalyst 77 smogs fine then that opens up more options.
     
  7. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 26, 2005
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    I think '76 is the first year the 308 was imported to the US.

    I've had a mechanic tell me they were a b*tch to get passed, but that implies that a perfectly tuned car can do it. I'd recommend finding a top-notch Ferrari mechanic in your area -- one you would trust to work on the car -- and asking him. Or buy a CA car and accompany the owner to the smog check station, as he has to get it passed before he can sell it.
     
  8. wernerg

    wernerg Karting

    Jun 29, 2006
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    <<accompany the owner to the smog check station, as he has to get it passed before he can sell it.>>

    it is the seller's responsibility to pass CA smog BEFORE the transation is executed?

    does that mean he cannot pass on that obligation to the buyer, even if seller and buyer agree to do so?
     
  9. Perfusion

    Perfusion F1 Rookie

    Oct 16, 2004
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    He can, but you (as the buyer) would be a fool to do it on a carbed Ferrari! Obviously, if the car is being sold out of state, it need not be done in-state before departure. It's just for the re-registration by the new owner - and in that case, it IS the seller's responsibility to smog the car...spelled out very clearly on the DMV website.
     

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