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California recreation on BAT

Discussion in 'Recreations & Non-Period Rebodies' started by toparkt, Jul 16, 2023.

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  1. toparkt

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    Serious effort for sure . Interesting to see what the final number is ..


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  3. roma1280

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    I think for parts the car is probably worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars. The question is how much will someone pay for a franken-Ferrari
     
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  4. SCantera

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    The 250 GT [SWB] Spider California is my favorite design of any Ferrari......or any other car for that matter. Perfect design balance, profile, curves and detail combined.

    Not going to get into the argument about re-creations. Just saying this is a beautiful example of outstanding and accurate craftsmanship. Bellissimo!!
     
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    A second RE body according to advertising.. that’s a first to me


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  6. tx246

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    The headlights look wonky
     
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  7. fiatosca

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    All of the body forms look off. Not a fan of rebodies in general and this one is particularly poor.
     
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  8. toparkt

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    I would think with all the 3D computer power , 3D printing, laser scanning technology etc. that IF one
    WAS to put the effort in, a recreation could be done to a very high level ..
     
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  9. turbo-joe

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    but only if you scan the original, not a copy
     
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  10. TTR

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if these “technologies” have been used on more than few already, but I believe there’s more to it than that …
    … and in my experience, actually a lot more than most casual observers and/or geeks thinking modern “tech” has answers to everything realize or understand.
     
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  11. Terry groves

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    Headlight area and windscreen don’t look right to me. Proportions look a little off.
     
  12. toparkt

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    From an Architect's point of view , we can create exact details of anything that is built, but NO detail on how to do it.
    The shape is easy , but execution is everything..
     
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  13. TTR

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    #13 TTR, Jul 17, 2023
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    ... and that's just scratching the surface (pun intended) of what I mean, not to mention (with all due respect), most architecture is based/reliant on (and/or restricted by) relatively basic, square/rectangular/uniform/etc (i.e easy to create & repeatable, especially on computer) shapes.

    Hence, anyone with an experienced "eye" on coach built/hand formed, limited production automobiles can usually detect computer aided/created "mistakes" quite easily on recreations/replicas.
    Why do you think some can distinguish GTO (and the topic example) replicas so easy ?
     
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    Edit:
     
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  16. SCantera

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    I know an old-timer that owned 2 250 GT SWB California Spyders a few decades ago. Had them both at the same time for a bit before selling for $50k. True Ferraristi that had many amazing cars go through his garage. I will send him the link to this car and see what he thinks.
     
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    Why do you think some can distinguish GTO (and the topic example) replicas so easy ?

    I TOTALLY AGREE ! - CAD - is simply a tool.. It is always the PRO that can see the difference. (and many others)
    It is hard to teach younger staff that the computer is NOT the answer to design..
     
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  18. TTR

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    All this has been discussed here to ad nauseam. Just search…
    … or perhaps contact likes of Aardy or Marcel, etc who are far more experienced/trained and likely can explain it better than I.
     
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    Having worked as a design professional in the automotive industry for over thirty years, I can tell you that one can create a surface using modern scanning techniques that is accurate in every respect to within fractions of a millimeter. The problem comes when you try to replicate that surface in sheet metal. Old vehicles have imperfections such as waves in the highlights, underflush/overflush surfaces, assymmetry, etc that add to the character and are difficult if not impossible to recreate by hand. There will also always be the temptation to "fix" these issue in the resulting math file which would make the vehicle feel somehow antiseptic. That said, the math files could certainly be used to create an accurate buck over which to form the panels and get a result a lot closer than what we see with this BaT offering.
     
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    Totally right it’s the little intricate details of a hand built body that gives them their unique character. Very hard to replicate the unique intricacies using a computer.
     
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    Totally agree … well stated !


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  22. kare

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    Looks like a 1961 (1st series) GTE-chassis frame was used.
     
  23. mechaniker

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    Looks more like an hommage than a replica... Just so much is wrong...
     
  24. Marcel Massini

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    Sadly an original 250 GTE 2+2 #3671 GT, originally painted Blu Sera 20100 M Italver, delivered new to France (FBA) and even raced there (rare for a GTE!!), was brutally destroyed to create a sihtty, lousy, terrible, poor fake and total replica.

    Marcel Massini
     
  25. TTR

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    Now tell us what you REALLY think about this ^^ ? :D
    But I kind of agree, as I would much rather have a crappy/rusty/etc (but hopefully mostly complete and drivable) GTE or any other 2+2 Ferrari than any fakey doo replica, no matter how "accurately"(?) or well done latter would be.
     

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