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Cam reinstallation

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  1. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    Bill
    Is it possible when reinstalling the cam (at TDC) that when it is being torqued down "if it move slightly" it could cause the exhaust valve on cylinder #6 to come in contact with the piston to the point of damaging the edge of the valve whereby it does not close flush against the valve seat?
    I would think that when the bolts are being torqued down there is very little closing up of the space between the cam and the journal, and that at TDC the piston is not virtually in contact with the cylinder head and thus the valves - however my understanding is more general rather than 550 Maranello specific.
     
  2. rviani

    rviani Karting

    Jun 22, 2005
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    At TDC on compression the exhaust valve should be completely closed on almost any engine I know of.
    the critical point is generally 360 degrees from that at TD on the exhaust stroke when the piston is generally approaching a closing exhaust valve.
    Could cam timing be off 360 degrees?
     
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  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jul 19, 2008
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    The reason Ferrari puts assembly marks on the cams is to prevent bending a valve stem while torqueing down the cams on reassembly.
     
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  4. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    As I understand, the assembly marks were aligned. the resulting problem was not a bent valve stem, but damage to the "face" of the valve. I'm trying to understand how this could happen. The cam was degreed (I assuming before discovery of the valve issue which was only discovered after a compression & leak down test).
     
  5. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Aug 10, 2002
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    An unknowing amateur can bend valves doing this. Some minor shift can will happen as you bring it all home progressively but you are not using an air tool ramming the caps down and ignoring the movement. As Taz says the marks tell you where you don't hit. Just respect them and work everything home and tweek shaft position as needed. You don’t try and lay shaft on and ram home 1 cap then put on the others. It is more of a progressive process.
     
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  6. luca's308gts

    luca's308gts Karting

    Dec 16, 2016
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    "fatbillybob" - thanks, I think you explained what the Tech did, now to make sure he doesn't do it again with the new valve!
     
  7. franschman

    franschman Formula Junior

    Dec 18, 2017
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    Ouch... expensive lesson! If I were you I'd ask for a very long warrantee on that valve job.

    I made a similar mistake once on my Lancia Fulvia, where on bringing home the bearing caps one of the valves touched the piston and it took me a while to find out. In those days I changed camshafts in the parking lot the night before a track day as it was my only car. Anyway, nothing bent or broken and off I went. Several months and two track days later, that valve broke, buried itself in the piston, smashed the head to bits, bent the conrod and ruined the crankshaft. While not a Ferrari V12, these old Lancia 1600 engines are getting rare and expensive either.
     
  8. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

    May 11, 2009
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    What Carl said. The job of reinstalling cams in these cars should be done with a quarter inch drive hand socket turning little bits at a time until there is enough tappet deflection to allow other caps to be installed. Watching the assembly marks as you hand tighten if you notice that the marks move a bit you can usually hand rotate the cam by gripping the cam gear and gently turning until they are back in line.
     

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