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  1. Bob Parks

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    I was looking at that link earlier today and I thought that it looked like your engine. The 504K should be great with that engine on it. One of the most beautiful flying displays that I ever saw was the early evening flight of the Ottawa Museum's 504k at Abottsford in 1968 lighted by a lowering sun but in a clear sky and doing a falling leaf over the field. As the pilot was blipping the engine to change power we could see the burst of castor oil illuminated by the sun. What a beautiful graceful sight of an old airplane doing a ballet for us.
    We are waiting for you, Russ.
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  2. snj5

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    I am always amazed at how big a 504 is. It must just waft around like a beautiful kite .

    We are wondering over here what the transition will be like from the T-28 to the Camel - almost all of the Sopwith's design envelope is well below T-28 approach speed.
    It should be quite an adventure and a lot of fun - gotta wake up my feet getting back into short coupled taildraggers...
     
  3. Bob Parks

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    Funny that you mentioned that because I have been going over the same considerations in my mind about how the Camel will respond. I doubt that the airplane will do anything for you and that you will have to fly it 100% of the time...which is good. I can see where you will have to have quick feet on take off and quicker feet on landing. Pretty close to the grass when it stalls on landing. Stick hard back until it stops rolling. I imagine that you will have a bit less prop wash, " P-Factor" if you will, but more controllable power, easier to modulate, I guess. I can't think of anything that you could get some pre-flight practice in other than a 504K so I guess that you will have to buy one of those first.
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  4. snj5

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    I am going back to the old stand-by - front and back seat time in a Champ.
     
  5. Bob Parks

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    I was thinking of some slow flight time in something like a Stearman but that's a bit big. An old Waco would be good too but the Champ is a practical and good move. Again. You're having too much fun..but you have earned it.
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    ...which will probably feel like a 747 compared to the Camel.

    :)
     
  8. snj5

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    Very cool - notice how short the take off roll was there at the end of the film?
    Many thanks
     
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    Cool........if it was me I'd pass on the propane too.
     
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    #87 snj5, Nov 25, 2009
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    Details, details...
    A Sutton harness reproduction made in England..on it's way here now....

    Very clever early technology quick release harness developed in WW1, later used in WW2 RAF planes.
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    Russ has his own propane..................................:p
     
  14. snj5

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    #89 snj5, Nov 30, 2009
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    That's methane. :)

    Here are some of the latest camel bits:
    A Sopwith stick and spadegrip with coupe' button
    Sopwith fuel sight gauge.
    1918 air ministry ignition switches

    Having new panel made and instruments rebuilt/refaced.
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    Wonderful! I am in Austin and gradually restoring an Aeronca C3 "Master". I will enjoy following the build! I have some original WW1 instrument which came out of a DH4 as well as a WW1 compass in my collection of vintage aviation stuff.

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  16. Bob Parks

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    Great stuff, Russ. I hope that this can be shared with those who are uninformed and know not of WW1 aviation. .
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  17. snj5

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    #92 snj5, Dec 19, 2009
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    1.Flying wires here from England! Sooooo pretty.
    2.Have a correct 1916 Mk V RCF cockpit watch to go in the panel watch holder - it works!
    3.Not sure how successful this will be, but working with Dayton Wire wheels to custom make some more correct 22" offset wheels for the more correct 28 x 3 smooth tires available at Coker.
    4.Instrument panel shaping up, instruments off being rebuilt; modern tach being re-cased and re-faced as original piece. Original 1917 instruments are: compass, tachometer (documented as being from a Sopwith Camel) and cockpit watch -- all serviced and working. Re-faced moderns to look like originals: Airspeed, Tach, inclinometer, pulsameter.
    5. Propeller currently being made.
    6. The Camel's 'hump' beautifully made by Robert Baslee on an English wheel.

    Photos:
    1. instrument panel with mock-up instruments while the originals are being rebuilt. It's no F-22 MFD panel.
    2. The hump
    3. More Hump
    4. Sutton Harness
    5. 1916 RFC cockpit watch
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    Wow. Just wow.
     
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    Russ,

    Who is rebuilding your instruments? Have you ever been to Kingsbury to see Freeman's set up? He has an original Thomas Morse Scout with a rotary engine (being recovered) and a second one being finished up also in the covering stage. Roger has had a few troubles which have got in the way but hopefully the museum and workshop will continue without him for a while. He also just finnished up a beautiful Spad for Xavier Arango (Sp?) which was going to have a Hisso installed. All built to the original plans - an incredibly complicated aircraft compared to many other WW1 fighters.


    Mike.
     
  20. snj5

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    Mike

    My instruments were done by Keystone Instruments in Lock Haven. I live very near Kingsbury and am a member of the museum there actually. They have a wonderful library including plans.

    Best

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    Yep I have been friends with Roger since his Zuhl days. Helped him get the Pietenpol Sky Scout and he has helped me with my C3 rebuild in the past. I look forward to the spring fly-in! When do you think the Camel will be done?

    Mike,
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  22. snj5

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    Hopefully in the spring, to trailer and show at Sun-n-Fun
     
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    #98 snj5, Dec 29, 2009
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    Worked on the panel and fittings today, with Robert finishing up some oil lines to the tank. As most here know, the cockpit and panel will have mostly all original and replica instruments. While the compass, mag switches and watch are original 1917 and Camel correct, their history is unknown, but the Altimeter is said to be an actual Camel altimeter flown in the war.
    Will finish the panel and instuments today, and hope to start and idle the engine today or tomorrow.

    Would highly recommend anyone getting into this WW1 aviation - it is great fun, and FAR less expensive than WW2 types (excepting L-birds, which is on par).


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  24. Bob Parks

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    Russ, this is getting SO exciting to see how rapidly your project is proceeding. I am entertaining thoughts of trying to get to Sun and Fun next spring. If I start walking now I just might make it in time.
    Have you settled on the exterior markings yet ? I can see a red slash on the side with a black " T " outlined in white aft of the cockade. I Remember that the blue on the WW1 cockade was a lighter blue than what is used today. Dark olive on the upper surfaces and natural linen under...but you already know that, I guess. I hope that you record the sound of the engine when you crank it up.
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    #100 snj5, Jan 5, 2010
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    Am looking at a B flight plane from 201 Sqn or Henry Botterley's plane from 208 Sqn. (photoshop shown below). Here is a photo with the gun bucks attached for fitting before they are finished.
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