Hmmm, it sorta depends on which image you choose! If you click on the wheel depicted here, http://www.superformance.co.uk/a-246/wheels.htm, you get the enlarged slick wheel--no bosses or lettering. (On the left, below) However, when you go this page and click on the wheel image there, http://www.superformance.co.uk/206246_a.htm, you get what appears to be a computer drawing with the boss and, presumably "Campagnolo," there, but obscured. 'must be a copyright thing for the ad? As I understand it, there is only one manufacturer of these wheels. I think all of the vendors get them from the same place? I'm certainly open to corrections. I guess an email ([email protected]) or call (T: 01992 445 300) to Superformance would clear that up. Details, Coop Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I bought a set from Superformance and they have the "Campagnolo" on. Because they made of aluminium, they are heavier than the original rims. Quality is ok, price is great. Guys, the very interesting thing with my two european LHD flares Dinos (#06548, #06856) is that both spare wheels show "Dino" and "Campagnolo", but all 8 other rims (the rims fitted to the car) show only "Campagnolo". I checked the production stamp on the rims of #06856 and they show 3/73. So, as always, a lot of things are possible with Ferrari ;-) Regards Matthias
Thanks, Matthias. Perhaps there are two slightly different 'original' types of Campys, just as there are three slightly different versions of the (Dino) Cromodoras: Early have "FIAT" and later have "Dino" and latest have "FERRARI." Have you mounted the Superformance-sourced wheels yet? If so, what is your impression? Are hubcentric rings required, as with their 16" star wheels? Do 'Cromodora' lug bolts work? Mine are all the same length. I notice that replacement bolts are sometimes different lengths for front and rear. For most street applications, the extra weight of the Al wheels should not be a concern. Always learning, Coop
Hello Coop, yes they are on the car right now and work well It´s very simple, you can just change the rims. The bolts are the same as with the Cromodora rims. I couldn`t recognize any difference... But front and rear have different lengh as with all M- and E-serie Dino bolts. The bolts for the front rims must be longer. Regards Matthias
you can get the gold ones from gary Bobileff @ bobileff motorcars Gary ( a different gary) 8394 espada
Thanks for that info, Matthias. It is interesting that my friend's Tipo M has equal length bolts, front and rear, as does my Tipo E. I guess we had better order up some longer ones for the fronts! Cheers, Coop
I owned #05828 (an original chairs & flares GTS) for many years, and it had the foil stickers and only "Campagnolo", not "Dino" cast into the wheels, FWIW.
Do you guys think the gold Campy sticker was anything more than a delivery sticker? Doesn't look at all permanent to me. The ones I've seen look pretty ratty, and most of the cars I've seen don't even have the stickers anymore. Chatting with a Dino owner today, he agreed with me and thought they were not meant to be permanent. his car does not have them on the Campy wheels. D
What does Permanent mean? Was the Borrani sticker permanent? Are the Bonaldi brake booster stickers, the delivery tags, the Marelli stickers etc permanent? I guess if you want then to last longer you could spray clear coat over them. I have owned three cars that all had the Campy stickers still o the rims after 30-40 years.
Permanent means . . .permanent. The wheel centers are permanent. The Dino or Campagnola lettering cast into the wheels is permanent. The warning tag on the airbox is permanent, the vin tag on the the driver's door jam is permanent. A sticker, placed on the outside of a wheel does not, to me at least, appear to be a permanent item for the car, much like the tag that hung on the radio antenna switch, or the box that the tool kit may have been delivered in. It just seems to me that the sticker was not meant to remain on the wheel, while these other items most certainly were meant to stay with the car. Not meant to derail the thread, simply a question. Which I think I may now have OVER answered. D
Would you consider the decals in the engine compartment like on the air cleaner or fuel pumps temporary or permenant? Freeman
Air cleaner - permanent. Still firmly attached to mine 30+ years later, and contained a message about safety or operation, as I recall. don't know about the one on the fuel pump, never saw it. I think it's all hazy, but . . . what the heck if we're tossing it around, why not here? D
According to its records, the Campys on my Dino were fitted when sold by Algar in 74. The Campys have both "Campagnolo" and "Dino" markings, as shown in the photos posted earlier.
Thank you, Matthias. I gather the consensus is: 1. Gold foil "Campagnolo" stickers are correct for the 246 Campagnolo wheels. 2. Campagnolo wheels with cast "Campagnolo" and "Dino" marks, or "Campagnologo" alone, are correct for the 246. Regards, Andy
Having said that, it occurred to me that the Campagnolo wheel design (called "Ragno," according to some sources) isn't exclusive to the 246, although it probably most identified with that model. There are even 13" and 4-stud versions. I wonder if Ferrari commissioned a spoecial run of the wheel, with the "Dino" casting, and used the "Campagnolo" only wheels when supplies ran low.
Any chance of a picture? Perhaps you have already posted one; let me know if you have & I'll look for it. I'm considering a set for my car, Matthias so your comments are timely and interesting for me. Also, did the wheels come with Campy center caps and snap rings? Cheers, Coop
I don`t have a picture taken jet. The car is with my mechanic because some additional engine work needs to be done. I hope to have it back in 4 to 6 weeks time. The rims come without center caps and snap rings. You have to order them separately. Regards Matthias
I first went Dino shopping in 1989 and since then have only seen the gold Campagnolo stickers on them. The same stickers were used on Campagnolos made for the Maserati world of the same period in the early 70's. It wasn't until a few years later (QPorte, I believe) that the black stickers showed up on Maseratis and that was well after the Dino 246 production concluded. Campagnolo also sold these same wheels sans "Dino" script, named "Elektron" to BMW who offered them as an option on their 2002 model (tii version I think), hence there was no Dino in the casting. Past judges and Tifosi have claimed that Dinos could have legitimately had Campagnolos either with or without the "Dino" script. In 1995, I bought a spare set of four from Thomas S in San Clemente that had the "Campagnolo" script but did not have the "Dino" script. The rear had the casting date stamped into them (see photo). According to the Alfa Montreal website (http://www.alfamontreal.info/), "In 1981, Campagnolo changed the name of its auto wheel division to TecnoMagnesio and this division was spun off in 1988. In 1998 the TecnoMagnesio brand name was purchased by MIM Ruote Alloy Wheels and it is believed that they can still manufacture the original style wheels to order... The Superformance wheels look great and are completely without any sandcasting surface impressions, but some think that make them look too perfect. Image Unavailable, Please Login
That was very informative, Synchro. Thank you. In about 1989, I wanted to order Campagnolo magnesium wheels for my Stratos and was told by the Stratos club head Thomas Popper that the correct company to deal with was Technomagnesio. I didn't know why, but your post now explains that. As a PS, I did in fact contact Technomagnesio, who ran off a set for me. Are the BMW Campys identical to those for the 246?
Not identical, but definitely related, Andres. Here are the Campagnolos for the BMW. They are 13x5.5 with a 4x100 bolt circle. There may be other sizes in that style for other cars; I'm still looking. I have read that 'Elektron' is the material - magnesium. Campagnolo made many wheels of Elektron for many different cars. The Ferrari factory parts manual refers to the optional wheel as "Ruota superleggera in ELEKTRON (6?Xl4) A richiesta" (p/n 106927) and "Ruota superleggera in ELEKTRON (7?x14) A richiesta" (p/n 106928). It also indicates two of each, which would lead one to surmise that Campys were supposed to be staggered, with 6.5" up front and 7.5" on the rear. Hmmm. At any rate, perhaps "ELEKTRON" is a misnomer...my misnomer? Someone better informed than I will hopefully jump in here and save my bacon! Cheers, Coop Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just an interesting side note. As I wandered through my scanned articles this AM, came upon this article from September 1968, don't remember the magazine, and don't have a reference point. Just an interesting factory tour. DM Image Unavailable, Please Login
