can a 430 motor be put in a 360?

Anything can be done if cost be damned, I have a milling machine, lathe, welder and a mad set of skills.

 

+430

 

Better choice than a turbo in my opinion.

 

430 and 360 look like the same bellhousing pattern whereas the 458 does not so you would need to do some creative fabrication if you wanted a gated shifter present. Ive thought of doing this myself but would want the 458 engine in a 430 with a manual trans.

 

Forget about the mechanical aspects of transplanting a 430 or 458 engine into the 360, which can be accomplished with skills and patience.

Marrying the wire harnesses for either of those two engines to the harnesses in the Modena is not child’s play. For example, the security system ECU is sync’ed to the two engine ECUs based on the VIN. Introducing engine ECUs from a 430 or 458 to the 360’s protocol is not plug-n-play. We all know how particular the ECUs are when managing their own signals, not to mention “translating” signals from a different engine. Wonder what the CEL code from the ECU is for “430 / 458 Engine Not Recognized”? Although the 430 is an evolution of the 360 and there may be some similarities with respect to the instrument cluster, the 458 is next generation display. Even if the ECUs could be re-flashed to overcome the dissimilarities, the pin-outs of the harness connectors in all likelihood are not compatible. Wire splicing would be a monumental challenge, unless there are pre-wired conversion kits on the market.

 

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It would be a challenging project. No way a 360 ECU is going to "run" a 430 engine or vice versa --- different sensors / parameters for management. So, I would assume the best approach would be to use 430 ECUs plus as much of the 430 electronic systems as possible --- even then, some things would likely be lost in the translation. I'd bet several gauges would not function --- but, that may not be super critical if you can tolerate a "track car" type operational setup.

Overall, I would think just trading / selling the 360 and getting a 430 would be a cheaper ---- and certainly an easier way to "upgrade" .

 

Would be much easier to just run it off of aftermarket engine management.

Aside from money, the only real problem I see with this is obd2 compliance. If emissions do not matter, you should be good.

360 and 430 don't have a huge different in looks however, so I am curious why you wouldn't just buy a 430 if more power is what you are after?

458 engine/manual trans sounds pretty awesome. If you ran say Motec, be prepared to invest a lot of time tuning it, being direct injection.

 

Would in the end probably be better to modify the 360 engine rather than the headache of swapping engines, especially 458 engine.

In addition, 5 valves per cilinder sounds best .

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Yes. Just buy a 430.

 

Maybe he likes the shape of the 360 better.

Go nitrous dude. Cheap, simple, fast and removable

 

430 + 360 body panels = 430 attributes without the restyle by a 13 year-old obsessed with Anime cartoons.

I considered exactly that at one point.

Still, you're stuck with about a dozen too many computers.

 

100 more hp? Too bad I can't see where you live, then I could fantasize about what the roads there must be like! The base 360, without the CS aero upgrades already gets light and twitchy when you are...ahem...up in it! and that is with some mph on the top end to go so what are you going to do with that extra .3 seconds to 60?

Might be fun to do if you are a tinkerer and have a couple of wrecked cars around but you would be creating a sales proof car!
I think I would work down the weight of the base 360, add the CS aero and see what you have first. That would create resale value IMO. There is a lot of weight to snatch out of the thing for not too much $$$, seats, radio, lexan, battery, exhaust, airbox, wheels, careful Carbon fiber additions, etc.

 

I think this is a good idea. -If- I do anything further to my 355 it will be along this route. (just work on taking weight out of it rather than trying to make a lot more power).

 

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I'm confident the 360 ECUs would run the 430 engine. Check to make sure the cam variator timing is compatible between the motors. Compare engine electrical schematics. Worst case, you spend a few bucks, ruin a harness, and find out you gotta resell a 430 motor. Best case yaaaaa-hoooooooooo!

 

Yup. Works wonders for peeling piston heads too.

Why not just go with the Novitec twin superchargers? No lag, no deceasing sound as with turbos, 547 bhp, in what is most likely a fairly reliable package. When all is said and done, I doubt an engine swap between a 360 and 430 is cheap - even much less so with a 458 engine. It's an entirely different platform, and none of the old transmissions will bolt up to that. This means that you'll have to run it with the DCT transmission and most likely the same diff as in the 458 too. That sounds expensive to me. The DCT can't be made manual. Unlike the AMT F1 trans, it was never meant to be a manual. The only modification I can see not destroying the cars resale value, is going with an aftermarket setup from a reputable manufacture like Novitec. Also, it can be reversed.

Those engine swaps sounds REALLY expensive in the end.

Cheap:
Reliable:
Powerful:

Pick two...

 

Bruce- The F430 has VVT on intake and exhaust, the 360 on exhaust only, so no, the Motronic 7.3 in the 360 would not have too good a time with an engine designed for 7.1.1.

 

Don't think that would be a deal killer. I still think it can be done.

 

On this, I think it would probably be easier to put 360 body panels on the f430. Maybe that sounds strange, but many prefer the looks of the 360 but the technology and drive of the f430. I wonder if anyone has done this.

 

Some of us do not prefer the 430 and you start off $50k behind in just purchase price before spending a dime on any work.

 

Funny, yes obviously some people have different preferences than others you are correct. In fact, I prefer the f430 all around--but I recognize everyone else does not have the same preferences as I do.

Some will pay 30K for paint in a specific color--others will not.

BTW, though, if someone is considering doing this, they should probably buy an F430 that needs lots of body work...I doubt anyone would seriously do this with a pristine f430. In that case--it is an expensive project--but probably not starting 50K in the hole if you have a car that has been spun into a wall and gone through the dirt (IE needing bumpers, door panels, fenders, and rear quarters anyway). Not sure if 360 body parts are more expensive than 430 body parts.

 

With an aftermarket ECU it's definitely possible. Roughly $6-7k for the ECU.