Can a F430 beat the new Z06?

Who gives a damn about the interior. If you want a great interior get a Bently or something. This is a sports car not a limo!

 

You're absolutely right. I just saw a show where I can redo the exhaust on my F250 diesel, remap the ECU, spray the b*tch and it'll outrun a vette or a Ferrari............I'll sell my Ferrari and my Vanquish and save a sh*tload of money............who care about the interior, though my truck DOES have captain's chairs, cupholders and cruise control.

NOW I've got a sports car that can outrun anything from 0-60mph and the quarter AND I can take to deer camp...... yeah I'll show all you fancy european car guys what my diesel pick up can do...............

On a more serious note. Since I do live in a small rice farming community full of diesel pick up trucks would it be inappropriate to rice it up or is that acceptable?

 

Why is this so hard to accept? For christs sake it is just a car. I don't need to spend $200K on a car to feel important. If other people do, fine. I am getting the Vette because it hauls ass and I won't have to worry about breaking it. It is hard to believe that one web site could have so many arogant *******s posting on it. Thank God some of the people on here aren't or it wouldn't be worth coming here!

 

Some of us DO think that vettes suck.

And yes the interior of a car does matter.

If you want to challenge people at 0-60 go to a friday night H.S. football game. After the game I'm sure you'll find a bunch of kids you can race with you're vette and leave wheels in the parking lot.

......oh and it's still a POS.

 

Why won't you have to worry about breaking it?

G

 

Because it's so cheap.

 

Wow, talk about close minded....

 

The world truely is full of *******s! Look if you think the Vette sucks, fine thats your opinion but insulting people who like them is just plain rude. It shows just what your made of. It is obvious to me that you think your toys make you a bigger man so it is pointless to discuss this any further with you. I hate to tell you though the Vette is much more than a 0-60 car. If you did your homework on it you certainly would know that. Whats with people like you! You think money makes you special? seek help!

 

Who's talking money. Gotasmalldick?

Vettes IMHO are POS. That's it. I've taken rides in them- I don't like them.

I also hate POrSches.

Don't get your panties all wadded up.

 

Because the car is so cheap or because it's so cheap to fix after you break it?

G

 

Both!

 

They ALL start out tight........and end up as rattle traps within a couple of years.

 

Believe me I have no ego problems. It sounds to me like your the one who wears panties! Look even if I thought a car was a POS I wouldn't say that to someone that likes it. Why do you feel the need bad mouth the Vette? Mabey your affraid that Chevys success might take a little of your precious prestige away from you. I think your the one with the ego problem!

 

Guys like airbarton are precisely the reason why the Vettes never seem to progress in the interior. There are always Vette buyers who are willing to accept the fact that other cars that cost much less have higher quality interiors, with better materials and far superior interior design. When I drove the Z06, I felt like I was sitting on 3 inches of cheap open-cell-foam, and had about 8 different variations of plastic in my view. The torque felt nice, but that's not everything. They're already talking about this 600hp Blue Devil car, but in my opinion, they should place a higher priority on the refinement of the car than adding more horsepower.

 

First off I own a Ferrari. Nuff said.

Now, what Chevy did with the new Z06 makes it EXTREAMLY hard to justify buying a new "exotic". Yeah, yeah, yeah with the "it is still a chevy line". Dollar for dollar, pound for pound, the Z06 is THE best bang for your performance buck right now.

What cracks me up is this "soul" crap. The Vett has plenty of soul. It was beating Ferrari's back in the day, and it is beating them now. The Vett also WON the 24hrs of Le Man, twice in last three years, running against Ferrari. So not only does the Vett lay the smack down on the street, it is also doing it on the track where the BIG DOGS take care of business.

It's like this, the Ferrari is like an M16, and the Corvette is like an AK47. They are both weapons of war, and both shoot bullets. The M16 (Ferrari) is more expensive, needs to be well maintained all the time, oiled, cannot get dirty at all or it will jam and not fire. The AK47 (Vett) can be bought cheaper in the right places, get dunked in the mud, burried in the sand, and still fire all day long without missing a beat. Now if you were in a war (24hr of Le Mans/Street) I would rather have the AK47 that can take a beating and keep on ticking. Oh but what about using the age old line, "if you can't afford to maintain a M16 then don't buy one". Well I already own "one". If I'm out just shooting targets (driving) with friends I'll take the M16, but if I'm going to war (race) it will be with an AK.

 

I agree with Charles. The new corvette supplies great performance, both acceleration and handling for a relatively low price. I've sat in a few, and they are just fine.

Will they hold up? Porbably not, but at the price they're being sold at, it's just fine. if you want quality, buy the Ferrari. However, don't point out the deficiencies in the Corvette to make yourself look better. It's degrading.

Art

 

Hmmmmmm they held up fine a LeMan. Matter of fact better than the Ferrari's.

 

I'd agree (except I don't know airbarton so i can't blame him...) GM gets most of the details wrong inside its cars, so the experience feels very downmarket, even if the drivetrain engineering is solid.

BMW knows how to make you feel like you're in a nicely built, carefully assembled car - even those Bangle-ized designs are nice inside. Ferrari is in a different league in terms of price, so that comparison isn't fair, but if you want to make the comparison anyway the Ferrari feels exotic, elegant and inspires a kind of awe. Corvettes have you thinking about which rental car you've seen that stalk in before.

GM has very mediocre design capabilities. They should outsource the design to Pininfarina (and the interior as well) and just build engines.

 

Well that's great for the Corvette, considering how the only part it shares with the street Z06 is the engine block and a few internals...

 

Its all about finesse. Its not just how fast you go but how you go fast.
A vette does not have finesse, the steering is overboosted and lifeless. The enjoyment of driving comes from communication with the vehicle not only speed. A viper has better feel than a vette. GM has all the right piecs but they still miss the point. A lexus also has the right bits but ultimatly its just a modern cadillac not a bmw. A vette has the pieces but is still lacking in feel. A lotus isn't that fast but its fun. A suzuki can smoke a mv augusta but wich would you rather have. And which of these vehicles are being driven at their limit on street or track. I saw a GP driver lap every car you can imagine with a lotus elise.

We are at the point where power is not the issue or even necesary differentiator, light weight(which the vette has) and fun factor, ie feel and feedback at all speeds(which the vette lacks) are what is going to be important. Lets face it its power you want go for an amg sl65, and it aint no sportscar.

 

I suppose a $83K Maserati Coupe GT owner could say the same thing about the $170K 430's interior. No car is going to excel in every category just because it is more expensive.

Michael

 

Art, I'm not sure why you don't think the Corvette won't hold up. I have 50,000 miles on my C5, and I've put a grand total of $2 worth of repair parts into it. Yes, $2! I've never owned a car that held up as well. My maintenance budget for a 355 is a $1 per mile.

Michael

 

I just saw the new C6 Z06 today at a local dealer. It certainly looks good (in yellow!) and the lines are quite defined. However, to those people who say the interior is crap I would advise them to reconsider because I saw it up close and personal and if you get all the options with nav & Bose (standard I think?) it looks okay--not great but not shabby. Furthermore, when you're mashing it, the interior is NOT the place you want your eyes on! The car is a beast--no doubt whatsoever. For those who have the refinement of Rolls Royce and/or Bentley plus the passion of Ferrari/Lamborghini, get the Z06 for the occasional drive on the highway and mash it. That beast can supposedly do 200+ mph!! That's insane for a car that's ~$70k fully loaded. And later on, go to LPE and get a twin turbo upgrade to smash the Bugatti Veyron with 1000+ RWHP!!

 

Great anology Ernie! I was wondering when the cavalry would arrive! Thanks for the help.

 

Hey Artie How have you been?