Can Mclaren do anything at all to wipe the egg from off there face?

What about Mercedes? First Chrysler, now this...

 

Just start winning. If this persists I'm sure they'll find something to fire back with. I'll bet there's lots of stuff if they need to retaliate.

 

McLaren could start by punishing the wrongdoers on their team...any and all of them. They haven't even said they would punish anyone. So far they have only "suspended" Coughlan. Three others have been mentioned and there could be more.

 

The FIA really dropped the ball on this one. What a precendent to set: Stealing hard-earned and expensive information from rival teams will result in NO PENALTIES WHATSOEVER. They were lucky to have been caught in the first place - just a local copy guy who called after seeing the Ferrari logo on the documents. This says that industrial espionage is all but encouraged. PISS POOR.

 

Forfeit and apologize to Ferrari. If they win the WCC, they'll just be called cheaters anyway.

I hope the Scuderia destroys them in the remaining races. Destroys.

 

the Scuderia needs to keep its head down and focus on the current reliability issues they have. solve those issues, and focus on winning. our boy Kimster has already woken up.

time to win some races now. they should crush Mclaren now, and offer a hanky to Ron to wipe his tears and wipe that smile off his face.

Forza Ferrari.

 

IMO, someone higher up in the ranks than Coughlan will have to be let go, as a scapegoat or not. I have a strange feeling that it will be Jonathan Neale that gets demoted to another position within Mercedes and no longer part of the M-M team.

 

Sorry but this position is just ridiculous and sounds like the type of tantrum-like arguments you only engage in with two year olds.

McLaren the TEAM wasnt caught doing anything, other than not reprimanding an employee who did wrong. While it is wrong and should not have happened, it's hardly the sanctioned and encouraged team-team espionage you make it out to be.

The FIA can do nothing to Coughlan except ban him from the sport - which they have done (or have said they will imminently do).

Thats the bottom line.

 

The FIA rule states that the TEAM is responsible for the actions of its members. It is that way in every sactioning body I have worked for or been involved with. To say that the TEAM did nothing wrong flies in the face of the rule. They were found guilty of violating rule 151c. They just were not punished for it.

 

Todt's statements in a press release today really make Mclaren look even worse.

Todt Accuses Mclaren of Hypocrisy

He explains that through the beginning of the season, Ron Dennis was attempting to have Ferrari sign an agreement to better relationships between the two teams "thus avoiding any future denunciations to the sporting authority."
After some trepidation and discussions, Todt signed the document on June 9 believing in Mclaren's good faith.

How can Mclaren propose this document without telling the Scuderia that their man has these papers (they have said that the dossier had been brought to the attention of team heads, and they had advised Coughlan to destroy it). That they need to fire Stepney. It is despicable.

 

Honestly, I felt an appropriate penalty would have been 20 points for WCC, & ten points for per driver for WDC. The only thing McLaren did wrong was not kicking Coughlan off the team immediately (they did eventually). Simply put, an action like that does not call for a stiff penalty. This wasn't conspiracy, it wasn't corporate espionage, it was simply improper disciplinary action to a rogue team member.

 

what about Stepney and Ferrari then ?
if Stepeny stole the documents and passed them over, then Ferrari (under what youve said) is responsible for his actions

 

After reading what Todt had to say and he speaks of fact only. I find it very hard to believe anything Ron Dennis and his cohorts say. They are looking worse with every minute that passes. Anyone who has read what Todt said and still believes that the McCheater team has done nothing wrong really has to have an engine out service done soon.

 

This wouldn't apply to Ferrari. How can they be held responsible and punished for the actions of an employee that resulted in damage to themselves?

 

A ridiculous argument and I cant believe some are still carrying it forward. They wernt accused of it and were not found guilty of it ....so why even talk about it?

 

This is the most nerf-like bullet, in the McLaren apologist's bandalero.

It is fairly obvious, that Ferrari had no way to benefit from Stepney broadcasting their secrets and many ways to be compromised. I could not see a case like this, where the FIA/WMSC would possibly undertake punitive action against the injured party.

But then again, maybe that's the sentence RD wasn't happy about....

The WMSC didn't penalize Ferrari .... LOL !!

 

I think Chaos wants to blame the girl in the short skirt for getting raped. I can't believe how rediculous some of the comments on this matter are.

 

not at all, not even close and tbh im not sure where that came form.

what im saying (and its very simple concept) is this.

If a team is responsible for the actions of its employers then it goes both ways.
so if Coughlin is guilty of Industrial Espionage then your saying Mclaren is also as to blame as his employer

so if Stepney is guilty of industrial espionage then under the same rules so is his employer


you cannot have one rule for one and one for another

 

rubbish.

it comes down to the ruling about employer liability

if coughlin is prosecutable then under the rules stated so is his employer
so if stepney is prosecutabe then under the same rules so is his employer

you cannot say "well mclaren are responsible for their employees, but ferrari arent"


yes its a somewhat ridiculous situation to consider prosecuting SF for one of their staff being a traitor - but its equally ridiculous to prosecute mclaren for the private actions of one of their staff

if you enforce the ruling for one company, then you have to enforce it for the other

 

A year from now, nobody will remember this.

I certainly hope folks here are not naive enough to think this has NEVER happened before: McLaren just happened to get caught.

I bet Bruce is spinning in his grave, god rest his soul.

 

amen to that.

 

Actually, Mac deserved to be punished. it was their man who agreed to hand over the money and take the documents. he should have been the whistle blower here.

instead, he took it, kept it for a couple of months, and showed the rest of the team what he had. the team did the right thing to urge him to destroy it, but the fact here, when did the team come to know about this? did they knew it since April, yet kept it's mouth shut and asked it's employee to destroy the evidence quitely?

my point is, if Mac had known about the Mike's document possesion, and asked him to destroy it, but he did not, they should have gone to the FIA straight about this matter.

 

what money ?
no ones proved anything about money.

pls dont speculate and post trying to pass it off as fact.

 

The only way out for them is to pull out of the 2007 F1 Championship