I am searching for a 360 Spider, so question is: can the odometer be tampered with to show lower milage, or occasionally be disconnected ? And more importantly, can I check this with SD2/3 vs the other onboard computers thay may store the actual milage ? Or can I check the cables, to see any possible signs of disconnections (for example, the clean areas which perhaps should show signs of dirt / dust ? I find it quite strange that most cars for sale all arrive at at range arround 35.000-50.000 km, very rarely above 70.000, while searching the web pages for Porsches (for example), there are quite a lot of newer cars for sale at 100.000+ km. Yes, I know the standard proceedures: PPI, overall conditions of the car, paint, scratches, leather etc etc. But my friend who runs a highly renomated paint and recond company was fooled recently...a guy who has a professional eye on these things...
? ? ? So are you saying that it is really THAT common ? Then, again, how can I make sure I buy a fresh and honest car ? -And yes, I can do the whole enchilada, calling the ex owners too etc. Having done some research and having travelled some countries in Europe, I have even seen cars at official dealers (!?!) which I would rather walk or run away from, where it looks like no way in the world that car could have done even close to the shown milage.
Clean. Low miles. One owner. No one disconnected the odometer. Really! Image Unavailable, Please Login
The key is simply to observe the authorised Ferrari service book and their corresponding stamps which can verify that the mileage is kosher. At least you can do that downunder with Ferrari.
No, you are wrong, the key is to observe what is happening BETWEEN the services, and THAT´S my worries, meaning if a cable, fuse etcis pulled shortly after the service and the car is run X miles. Then the cable, fues or whatever is put back in again and the car collects reasonable miles in time for next service. This was probably what had been done with my friends car. Back to the question: how can such action be noted ? I don´t want to end up buying a car and then some time later finding out the car have run much more miles...
Anders, Regardless of marque or individual example, the simple fact of the matter is that any modern speedo is only storing its mileage 'indicator' in a flashable (read/writable) memory chip [directly equivalent to a USB storage pen in the PC world. May people advertise 'mileage correction' services so you don't even need to know how to do it these days. On the 360 its stored within the dashboard clocks, its on 512kbytes flash chip. You cannot run the car without a dashboard and if your looking at an F1 car, simiarly the mileage information will flag a mileage discrepancy if the dash data is different to the running parameters stored in the gearbox tcu so both must be updated for everything to match. Best advice is to get someone to hook up an SD2 and check for that discrepancy, many of the clockers probably only bother to do the clocks. Fact of the matter is both are easy and quick to update and its the same for all cars. Rule No. 1: Buy on condition. Rule No. 2: Buy on condition.
The exterior and interior wear can pretty much support mileage claims or not. If a car looks to have the mileage that's read on the odo and whatever documentation you have supports that, I wouldn't get too hung up on it.
With the right tools and knowledge anything can be done. I would agree with the statement that you should be able to compare the condition of the car to the mileage and you should know if something is way off.
Anders, as explained above, no doubt that cheating on total km can be done. I'm not going to explain on a public forum how to But you have a lot of other information stored in the ECU's like total running time, total shifts (F1) etc (I posted a detailed list some weeks ago). With such data, you can easily find out if the total number of km/miles are not logicaly accurate. Once again, I'm sorry not to go too much in details here as I don't want to help the bad guys...but ask your vendors to get ALL the parameter details of each ECU especially the Motronic and Dashboard cluster. I trust ONLY what's stored there as some hidden values are very challenging to change. And Ferrari has been playing a lot security by obscurity...if you knew how much non-official data is stored in there, you would be very surprised Good luck!
I have 4 instrument panels on the shelf. How many miles do you want? Buy condition. The odometer is there to calculate fuel mileage. Use it for anything else at your peril.
Thanks Stef, that answers my question: so it IS possible. I am not interested in HOW, just IF...I now I know that running the car through a PPI, THAT is what I will ask for and demand. Thanks again, Brgds Anders
I bought a 575 Superamerica instrument panel and had the mileage changed to match my original odometer. With the correct tools easily done, but you have to remove the instrument panel to do it. The odometer mileage is in a 2Mb chip in the instrument panel on the 360 and 575M, and in an 8MB chip for the F430 and Superamerica. Taz Terry Phillips
