Can the PTU in the FF & Lusso handle the power of a 700hp V12

Ouch. That's punchy. I live in one of the most expensive countries in Europe and main dealer rates are $210/hr and good indys are $170/hr (all inc 21% sales tax). I can understand dealers quoting 30+ hours for a PTU if they're padding it out for warranty or don't really know. We've had a forum member (Guilhermerossi1990) remove his own PTU so maybe he can chime in on the time it takes.

Given that SSAutotech will remove, repair and refit the PTU for $8,800 exc sales tax then I really doubt that it takes 30+ hours just to remove and refit.

 

Yep, makes sense.


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Warranty repairs are by the book hours. The manufacturer sets the time allotted to do it. It’s not like the dealer can take their time and charge out a ton of hours.

When mine was done they spent a time of time doing all the steps Ferrari wanted before authorizing a repair. Check this, check that, fluid level check, drove it, check it....etc etc. it was 3 weeks in the shop before Ferrari finally said it needed replacement. The most ridiculous thing I’ve ever been through.


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They certainly do!


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you’re right the uk build is “drive in drive out”. 11k. So perhaps 8 shipped. But it seems there is a different, shall we say, “culture”, among US Ferrari dealers, compared to euro dealers. One thing I’m not clear on. is it still the case that only Ferrari can perform the bleeding part of the install? Or can an independent do the whole job now?

 

Papou's post #21 in this thread suggests that SSAutotech are willing to rebuild PTUs which are shipped in to them. It's not clear if the PTU going back to Saudi will be installed by a Ferrari dealer or an independent but I'd wager that a Ferrari dealer won't be allowed to 'touch' a rebuilt PTU as they have to follow the Ferrari approved procedure for a PTU replacement.

When I told my local Ferrari dealer that a repair rather than replacement was now available for the PTU, they expressed surprise and asked if it was 'within the system' or with 'independents'.

The other UK specialist who will rebuild the PTU for you, Furlonger, are also willing to rebuild and ship and they, in conjunction with Accinni have worked out all the diagnostics necessary for the Leonardo diagnostics tool to bleed and reset the PTU.

So in conclusion, I think that a suitably skilled and tooled independent can refit and bleed the PTU with a walkthrough from either SSAutotech or Furlonger.

 

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email SSAutotech they reply immediately and are very helpful..

 

Ferrari FtLauderdale service advisor Victor Valdez quoted me $229 hour labor rate today..

 

Florida is much cheaper than ny

 

Here is SF 275/hr


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Wide world is 265 I believe.

 

Hourly rate is fungible - lower rate and add hours is the way the biz works

 

Ferrari SF does both [emoji23]


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Thats why i prefer to discuss labor costs in absolute amounts.

 

My word your as cynical as I am ..

Agreed, They quoted me $800 for a new (interstate) battery

 

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Ah yes. The FCA discount!

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I read about that. Guys in the UK that can replace a seal, eliminating the problem. I had the worst experience with my lussi. Changed 3 gearboxes, full engine, battery, dashboard, airbags, door cable.. piece of ****.

but.. i’d still wanna get another one..

Do you maybe know where i can get it fixed in the uk? If i buy another one, i’ll go there before i even drive my first km..

 

Simon Furlonger replaces the fork seals with beefier upgraded ones of their own design.

SS Autotech replace the whole fork assemblies with billet forged and machined forks (vs the OEM cast forks).

If you’re in the U.K., they both provide a drive-in, drive-out service.

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11954178
i’m guessing Furlongers have done the PTU on this car.

 

I suspect that it’s more a case of Furlongers being willing to underwrite the PTU themselves as they know how to fix it!

It’s a great way to generate sales as none of the other independent Ferrari dealers would be able to offer this except by paying Ferrari £10k for two years of NP warranty (and not all cars will qualify for NP warranty these days).

 

If only the 4 wheel drive system worked only in Snow mode and below 4000 revs I'm sure most of the problems would never had appeared. I wonder if there is a protocol that could rewrite the ECU to allow that.

To allow 4 wheel drive in Launch mode was a crazy idea considering the analysis of the problem has now established the seals give way due to too high oil pressure, inadequate circlip retention, weak fork structure.

The only time i really ever relied on the 4 wheel drive in my FF was in the Dolomites at around 40mph max, all other times i could have easily managed without.

Lusso exactly the same

My V12 Lusso was written off a few months ago in a head on crash with a nut case suicider and has now been replaced with a T as i just couldn't really trust a used Lusso without being totally convinced the previous owner was as anal as me.

 

I plan to retire next year, and one of my missions (?) might be that I start to see what could be done with the programming of different parts. My current list has been things like adaptive cruise control (yea that is possible actually) and head up display (although that might fail since there is a question about to how integrate into the interior design) - both relatively easy to fix. However your idea about fixing when the 4WD (or AWD might be more correct) will engage (since it for sure would be possible to disengage in lower gears, all the mechanics are there - it is only about software....) is very nice! I'll add that to the list for sure.

Now if I only could get my hands on the software ;-)

 

holy crap, sorry to hear that. I hope nobody got injured! Did you feel the car protected you well?

 

Thanks for that, usual neck and back stuff needing physio etc but no real hurt.
Car needed a new body shell but none available so declared as salvage for parts. Car was brilliant and protected me superbly considering i was doing 45 and she was doing 65
Because she deliberately caused the collision her insurance company invoked article 75 which absolves them of all responsibilities and voids her insurance so my insurance had to pick up the whole cost of over 200k£

Sorry to hijack the thread