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Can You Jack Front and Rear with 1 Jack Point?

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  1. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    If you have a car that is short and stiff like a GTI or a Civic, is it bad to jack only one of the jack points, either front or rear in order to lift both tires off the ground for a tire rotation?

    I've always done this on cars that seemed "comfortable" with it, but I get the inpression from a Porsche forum that it torques the chassis too much and is bad for a car.
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    I think it depends on the model/design of the car -- e.g., my wife's Subaru has manufacturer recommended front and rear center jacking points, but I wouldn't pick up a 308 by using the middle of the small rear crossmember.
     
  3. finnerty

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    #3 finnerty, Aug 16, 2009
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    Another concern is safety / stability. If a manufacturer has specified a center jacking point, then you know the vehicle can be safely balanced about that point when jacking. Otherwise, a given chassis may be stiff enough to center jack, but not necessarily stable ---- which could be dangerous to whomever / whatever is under the vehicle.

    Other than the Subaru example given, I have only heard of certain makes of pick-up trucks being designed for safe center jacking --- and only the rear end via jacking under the rear differential.
     
  4. UroTrash

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    This isn't a center jack point.

    These cars have a spot just aft of the front tire and just in front of the rear.

    I noticed that when I jacked the GTI up to rotate the tires (beginning in the front), the rear tire was clear of the ground as well! So I figured: why use 2 jacks?

    No one is under the car, just for tire rotation.
     
  5. BOKelley

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    After examining the crossmembers of my Mondial, I decided that it would be unwise to jack up the front and then the rear from central points. Thus I have resorted to using two floor jacks, one on either side, to first jack up the front and then the rear to get the car up on four jack stands.

    I think it is time to start looking for a car lift to install in the garage.......

    Brock
     
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    I agree. If, when the car is lifted at a designated jacking point, and the whole side lifts enough to raise both tires of the ground, what's the harm. I'd still put a jack stand under there somewhere.
     
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    We are not talking about the same idea. "Center point" can mean either the mid-point of a side (left / right) or of an end (front / back). I'm referring to single (center) point lifting of a vehicle's end (front / back) not a side. Single point side lifting is much more stable than single point end lifting.

    In fact, for purposes of tire changing only, the 308 has a single jacking point on the car's side under the trailing edge of each door ----- when using the factory supplied jack in this location, you will pick up the entire side (both front and rear wheels) of the car. But, I would never recommend trying to pick up the front or rear end of a 308 from any single point in similar fashion or with any other jacking equipment.
     
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    #8 DGS, Aug 17, 2009
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    Quite ;)
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    (Although side lifting to weld the fuel tank may not be a great idea.)
    (But it's even worse to try to weld a fuel line from inside a service pit.)

    If you're the type to actually rotate your tires, you'll probably want to consider a floor lift. You can get a portable low-rise lift that doesn't require any special installation, doesn't overload the floor, and is ideal for rotating tires, swapping summer/winter wheels, oil changes, or just picking the car up to make it easier to wax the lower quarters. ;)
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    (Remember: with radials, you only rotate front to rear, not side to side. I remember reading that it's bad to reverse even radials that aren't directional treads.)
     
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    "(Remember: with radials, you only rotate front to rear, not side to side. I remember reading that it's bad to reverse even radials that aren't directional treads.)"

    I don't think so. The manuals that come with my "day-to-day" cars, illustrate rotating radials by Fronts to rear on the same side, Rears cross over to fronts.
    "Directionals", of course, stay on the same side.
     
  10. UroTrash

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    Thats what I've always seen.

    What kind of car is that?
     
  11. Pantdino

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    I read the "don't reverse rotation" issue only applied to the very earliest radials in the 1960's. Modern radials won't be harmed by reversing rotation.
     

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