FYI, Massa was the only driver to make 3 pitstops, fought dead last, and was the most impressive driver out there today, with Kubik and Heidfeld. in contrast, whatever happened to Kova?
as how happy i am to see BMW finally achieve their 1st win, i can't be sure they'd won, if Massa didn't get screwed up by a faulty refueling system. anyways, how bout team orders on BMW for a change
as much as i hate to put 'racing incident' into this, i have to agree. like Kimi said, taking out somebody in a 200 km/h is one thing, but taking out someone in the pitlane with the red light on is another thing.
How did you come to that conclusion? While I loved that pass and was jumping with joy on the coach IIRC both cars he overtook did go wide (-> onto the marbles) losing a lot of grip/time/speed on that turn. That's not the first time I see you misspell "Kubica". Intentional or mistake?
i actually found it quite surprising the FIA let the circuit 'break'. i thought normally, 1 week before a race, the FIA sends it's reps to check and double check the condition of the circuit, safety wise, etc.
Massa will be criticized no matter what he does. So he passed a quite a few cars today. "Oh but he didn't do it like Senna or Schumacher would've!"
4 cars in front of Massa dropped out. If they stayed in Massa would be around tenth position. Yes the pit stop was a screw up for the team but 10th when your rivals are fighting it out for the win is bad news. The conditions were the same for everyone, Massa should have taken more points.
It is apprarent by your response that you didn't even watch the race. They only replayed that 2 car pass three times! One statement of yours rings true. The part about "I don't get it."
so how many times do they have to play it before you acknowledge he did it ? Felipe had enough skill to go around the corner without losing traction on a slippery track and outdrove them ..... then again photoshop is wonderful these days
True-He was one of several drivers that figured out that riding your two inside wheels over the inside curbing would help keep your car on line for a better launch off of the corner. Kubica and others figured it out as well. It also meant that you had to slow your entrance speed down to achieve this, which many others never did grasp. But to say that Massa pulled off some incredible 2 car pass is really an exageration of "Incredible".
Massa did something for me in Canada that not to many other drivers have done latetly... He had me fist pumping and cheering at the TV when he performed the double pass for position. GO FERRARI!
Give me a break! Alonso lost it on curbing, the same curbing that has been used 11,000 times that weekend, he was the only one that spun. If Massa can't keep up with "his class" while in the same bad conditions, what does that say about Massa?
What was his fuel load and suspension set-up?? Kind of relevant to qualifying since you are asking. Least we not foget Massa's previous qualifyng record the last two years, pretty damn good at getting front row and pole position. So what's your point about his qualifying in Montreal?? If I remember correctly he outqualified the WDC a few times. This anti-Massa commentary is ridiculous and amatuer. He did an excellent job for Ferrari in Montreal, as he has the last two years. Even Baldesserri and Domenicali stated this. You have no idea what may have been the issues with the car that made it difficult, you have no idea what the car set-up may have been, and if it was a correct decision. You have no idea what Massa was told by his engineer the last 10 laps.
What is Maui Wowy? Yes, it still would have been impressive considering the fuel equipment failure caused him to drop to near last. He came back up on a track that was breaking apart, a track on which it is difficult to pass, and passed quite a few cars to do so. It would not have been impressive if he did not have the problems in the pits. But he did. You obviously didn't notice. I responded above you your obvious lack of knowledge question concerning qualifying. If you have been watching this sport, racing in general, you would have an idea that qualifying position has a lot to do with fuel load, set-up, etc. Considering that Massa is pretty damn good at CONSISTENTLY getting pole positions, the obvious response would be there is some issue with the car, fuel load, set-up for rain, etc for him to not start on the front row as is typical Massa. As for the drop-outs that enabled Massa to get fifth, those same drop outs enabled Kubica to win. And Coultard to podium. Get it? Again, if you had been watching the race, or had some idea of motor sports, you would know that many a race is won becasue of drop outs. Does that take away from the the win, or the position? Not in my book. Its called automobile racing. I figured out that Maui Wowy is your signature.
I am not anti Massa, but I also don't believe him to be a top tier driver either. He is a good and solid #2 driver. It is some of you who seem to think that he is in the class of Kimi or Fred...and I disagree with that assessment. I have stated in previous posts that Massa drove very well at Monaco and the previous race. But what you just stated was an excuse on top of other excuses as to what may be the reason(s) for a poor finish by him. There's nothing amaturist about a objective opinion where the facts are: A poor qualifying positon that contributed to a poor finish. Those are the facts despite your excuse ridden response. To think that a 5th place finish with Kimi & Hami out and DC on the podium is a good job by Massa is a joke. Take your Ferrari hat off and look at it objectively for one moment. And to rave about that 2 car pass is also over zealous when looking at what really happened. Remember, I'm the guy that bet Ted that Massa would score more points than Alonso this season, so I actually have a reason to route for Massa.
Well, that part about "both cars out of control" looked to mean Heikki and Massa. But then, the alternative interpretation is the implication that both Rubens and Heikki went out of control in the hairpin, and Massa gets no credit at all for going around a corner that threw everyone else off -- without losing control. If Heikki passing Rubens put both of those cars out of control, then how does passing both cars *without* losing control not rate a mention? Or were all three cars out of control? I'm just trying to figure out what you tell us you were seeing that makes you convinced that Massa gets no credit for passing, condemnation for not passing enough, and no credit for not crashing out. But there's no way to discuss this if you're going to make it personal if I respond to what you posted, rather than what you meant to say.
How old are you? I mean to be asking about Maui Wowy and the intent used to responsed to another post asking what I was smoking? And to think that you would question my race knowledge shows that you have not been paying attention as to who I am or my professional road racing experience. So, there's nothing obvious about it other than your inept vision to see a race for what it is...not what you think it is.
