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  1. Rickyhull

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    Hi guys upgraded my stock exhaust system on my 360 manual coupe to Capristo sports cats and capristo stage 3 back box.

    there was no known faults prior and doesn’t seem to be any issues currently although my cats glow red (have the heat insulated blankets from capristo I’m assuming certainly doesn’t help)
    both cats either side glow the same red so it’s not like there’s an issue on one side of the engine
    has anyone got sports cats the same or simlar?, if so are they the same? Thanks ricky
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  2. Piruleta

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    I had the same issue on the past on a Ducati and Mazda RX8. Both had the same problem with different root causes: the engine was running lean.

    In the Ducati was a MAF sensor and on the RX8 fuel leakage on the fuel pump.

    BR
     
  3. Piruleta

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    Check, if you can, the AFR
     
  4. Rickyhull

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    Thanks, it’s due a service so plugs will be getting done so may get coils done dmfor the sake of it, also has a hot start issue where takes a little longer than normal to start which apparently can be a number of things one being a lazy fuel pump so maybe linked but will get it plugged in and looked at during the service
     
  5. fatbillybob

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    cats glowing red reflect mixture off. Sometimes an obstruction can make things glow but mixture is off to cause obstruction
     
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  6. one4torque

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    I went thru this-

    check st and lt fuel trims lean or rich

    makes sure each hole is firing.. I used a heat gun or water squirt on each tube

    everything checkout so then I found my header to rear car pipe gaskets were leaking letting o2 in and I presume leading to rear cats glowing.

    gl w search
     
  7. vrsurgeon

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    Replace the ignition coils on the affected side.
     
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  8. one4torque

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    Before you replace parts do some diag first so you know what to replace.

    possible causes

    fuel inj stuck open or bad inj not work

    coil bad… raw fuel to cat

    fouled so plug no light … raw fuel to cat

    bad fuel pump lean cond. check st lt fuel trims

    leaky ex system allowing air to cats.. this is what I had

    I was not able to doc this anywhere.. but I suspect a plugged cat can glow.

    gl
     
  9. vrsurgeon

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    I had no codes when my coils incompletely fired. Led to fuel dumping and glowing on mine. I agree if there is a code... may not be just FYI...perhaps pull plugs and check ash color...
     
  10. Rickyhull

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    Thanks guys I don’t wanna throw money at it guessing as I’ve done that on a previous car so I think on this occasion I’m going to take it into specialist for a proper diagnostic, I’ve checked the cat to manifold gasket joint (I did fit brand new genuine gaskets on both sides anyway when I fitted the exhaust) sprayed a foam engine degreaser on the joint and no bubbles or movement so I’m pretty confident it has an air tight seal, sprayed carb cleaner around base of intake when the intake gaskets are located and no change in noise etc, it had brand new plugs and coils in 2019 but has only covered around 4000 miles so assuming they’ll be ok still, have plugged it into my very basic code reader and no codes and it does show up basic codes like miss fires as I had that last year due to a low battery.
    If I had some miss fire codes id happy put a full set of plugs and coils on it….
    for the record both sides glowing red and both as bright as one another so seems what ever is going on it’s affecting both sides, does the fuel pumps do both sides between them?

    there is abit of a hot start issue where as it doesn’t really want to start when warm unless you put some throttle on which I was going to have investigated when it had its service in the coming months but maybe related
     
  11. one4torque

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    A couple more tests.. reset ecu’s see if any change. Maybe something w adaptations?

    swap another set of maf’s retest…


    Short term and long term fuel trims should tell you about fuel delivery.

    gl


    Oh and are you getting any slow down light warning!!
     
  12. Rickyhull

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    How do you reset the ecu? I’ve not got any other spare Maf’s sadly although I have no receipts/records of them ever actually being changed so I guess every chance they could be the original ones, also no way of getting any fuel data either sadly as much as I love solving problems for myself I think this one may be out of my hands without some kind of proper diagnostic software
     
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  13. one4torque

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    Sounds like it’s best to see your local expert. Please keep us posted on the diagnosis and fix.
     
  14. Rickyhull

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    Will do, thanks for your advice so far, fingers crossed it’s nothing major
     
  15. Rickyhull

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    Hi guys update in the hope it helps somone in a similar position I was in, had conflicting opinions of wether the cars should glow being sports cats (capristo themselves actually said they do glow to a degree apparently) and a Ferrari specialist that bought my stock cats also said it’s not really a problem they will glow.
    anyway I wasn’t really too convinced so went out for a drive with some friends and finally I got an engine light which made me very happy so I could finally look into what the issue is and it was relating to the 02 sensors!, changed the pair of pre cat sensors and also changed the engine temp sensor for the sake of it because it was only £15 and thought maybe it’s faulty so overfuelling because it thinks it’s cold all the time, drove the car for over 2 hours and quite hard too and absolutely no glowing cats at all!, so may of been the temp sensor that fixed it and the 02 sensors were damaged due to extreme heat or maybe was the 02 sensors no idea.

    I am now however getting a new engine light since changing them p1106 which relates to the maf sensors so will change them too but my main concern was always the glowing cats. Will update once there changed but car drives even better than it did before which I was happy with it before to be fair but now seems to have even more power!
     
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  16. Marco91

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    I have an F430 will full Capristo and it does pretty much the same thing on my cats/manifolds/muffler.

    Should I be worried?
     
  17. Rickyhull

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    I had conflicting inputs some people said yes they will glow some people said absolutely not, the main input was if there’s no warning light then it’s running fine, I drove it a few times and finally got a light to say faulty sensor, they was defiantly running too hot anyway as on spirited drives I was getting the slow down light due to the cat temps being too high, now since doing the 02 sensors and the engine temp sensor absolutely no glowing and no slow down light either so I’d be inclined so say you may have simlar issue to what I had, get it booked in live data should show any of those issues I was going to get it plugged in properly but because I got the warning light for 02 sensors I never bothered
     
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  18. Mrjb

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    Out of interest did you ever run the car with the capristo exhaust and standard cats?

    Curious if the capristo cats changed the sound over the standard cats.
     
  19. FerrfanFL

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    i am interested to know the answer to your question too Mrjb
     
  20. Rickyhull

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    No sadly not I’m curious also to know what noise difference they would be kind of wish I’d tried it prior to fitting the cats
     
  21. Mrjb

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    Lol. Is it quite loud then :D

    I’ve got a Capristo stage 3, and at idle it kind of sounds a bit flabby, if that makes sense, more of a low tone than higher pitch growl.

    It’s only when you hit 4-5k rpm the wail kicks in.
     
  22. Scottslaw

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    Appreciate you coming back in and reporting the resolution! Favor, do you have a part number for the temp sensor you changed? If it’s cheap I may just do it as preventative maintenance. I’m a firm believer in preventative maintenance of all sensors that relate to fueling and ignition. If those are old or not performing well you will not be running at peak performance!
     
  23. Rickyhull

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    No problem, I don’t have the part number as such I think I just looked on the eurospares page for a number then typed that number in on eBay along side Ferrari 360 and the correct one came up
     
  24. Rickyhull

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    had somone send me this from last week so yea pretty loud
     

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