Recently I par took in a SCCA AutoX event. It had been some years since I did any autoX activity, but it was fun. The Regional Chapter monthly magazine included a pix of me running the course. I am surprised as to the amount of body roll. The pix here is a pix of the magazine and is a bit distorted, but the body roll is real. I see that the car has no sway bar, and I am wondering if there is anything that can be adjusted to minimize this roll? Any input is most appreciated!!!! Thanks!!! George B. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Gee, I wonder if the body roll on my 360 Spider is the same as this. Haven't noticed. I'm guessing you had the sport switch flipped into the "ON" position? That seems to make a huge difference in the suspension stiffness. This event does look fun though!
They do, unless you're saying yours are missing. I believe it's possible to get uprated versions from Novitec.
That pic looks like a huge amount of understeer from the driver intending on a right hand turn, fully on the brakes and all weight xfer to the left front. (Probably not a great representation of how the car truly handles). Sure its not flat as a rock, but IMHO a poor pic if someone wanted to show others how a 360 handles.
First find your missing anti-roll-bar and put it back on the car where it belongs. Then thrash your 360 a few more times at your local SCCA Autocross and quickly retire it. It's too large and too expensive to be a fun Autocross car. Plus, based on your weight and power you'll be classed with a bunch of cars which you have no chance to beat. But Autocross is indeed a great way to explore the limits of your car. In fact, anyone out there who lives in the U.S. and has NOT been to a SCCA Autocross, should go. It's cheap (20 to 30 bucks or so) and all you need is an inexpensive helmet. You will; however, be expected to either set up the course or clean up at the end of the day, even if you are a Ferrari owner, so call ahead and learn the protocol. By the way, don't go to watch. Autocross is a lot like masturbation; i.e. it's a lot more fun doing it than watching it. So put some extra air in your tires and compete on your first time. You can borrow a helmet if necessary. If you are a father with a teenager learning to drive, I would say Autocross is the very best thing you can do to help your kid remain alive with all limbs functioning later in life. Nearly every kid is going to push the limits of the family car and if you can get them to do it on the Autocross course, you at least stand a chance of them coming home in one piece. Learning something about car control is, in my opinion, very important. You don't want your kid to experience his/her first skid late on some Friday evening with a bunch of silly friends urging them on. And they sure ain't gonna' learn anything about car control at the limit by attending the high school drivers education course.
Looking for the anti-roll-bar.... Can someone show me what/where it is? I see nothing in the back of my car that 'looks' like a sway bar. I am replacing sway bars in my 993 Porsche so I know what 'they' look like. Maybe Ricambi has a illustration of this. I always drive with Sport mode on as I like like that. I think in the pix I am entering the slalom. The pix of the front wheel is not correct as my camera was not straight on to the pix in the magazine. +1 on the joy of autoX. My son had gotten me into this. All help on this is greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!
My digital work shop manual for my 2000 year model addresses the "stabilizer bars" in section F-2.06. There are several photos showing both the front and rear bars. Of course, every car has a slightly different anti-roll bar design and the ones on current Formula One cars, for example, are so different from what we see on our street cars that they're hard to recognize. But the ones on your car are quite conventional and if you have looked and can't see anything that looks like a relatively standard anti-roll bar on either the front or rear, I would worry. I suppose it's not impossible that someone removed them, but it's highly unlikely. Download the digital shop manual, consult section F-2.06, and see if the pieces in the photograph are missing from your car.
Ricambi's online parts catalogs show the anti-roll bars and you can also download a 360 WSM for free at ferraridatabase.com and that should give you all the torque values for installing a heavier rear bar from a CS/Scud or other sources. 24 is front and rear anti-roll bar. Front anti-roll bar is common to the Modena, CS and F430. Ferrari 360 Modena Parts : Table 49 - FRONT SUSPENSION - SHOCK ABSORBER AND BRAKE DISC Ferrari 360 Modena Parts : Table 51 - REAR SUSPENSION - SHOCK ABSORBER AND BRAKE DISC
The rear anti-roll bar runs across the car through a wing shaped chassis tube. If you look under the rear of the car it is the wing shaped member that connects the two rear suspension mounts and runs across the diffuser. That is why you cannot see the anti-roll bar apart from the ends.
tazandjan, mike01606, Ahhh, now I see... That is tricky indeed!!!! Now my question, are the rear bars adjustable? if so, how can I make mine stiffer? Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, the anti-roll bars are not adjustable. The handling kits on Ferraris typically include a stiffer rear anti-roll bar to cut down on understeer. If you wanted a heavier duty rear anti-roll bar, all you would need would be a CS/Scud bar and the larger bushings made for that bar. An example is the handling kit on my car that has an increase in rear anti-roll bar diameter from 17 mm to 21 mm. Not sure of the diameters on the rear 360 bar vs the Scud/CS bar. Changing that bar will definitely make handling more neutral, so careful with big throttle inputs if the roads are wet.
