car design thread

Looked at the video that Ferrari did. Sure looks like there was post-entry design development. If true, that is just flat freaking wrong and an embarrassment for "the competition".

FL as second place? They passing around the crack pipe while voting? Go get some real professionals with a clue. Every one of those so-called judges should hold their head in shame.

 

No, in fact your text was the only information I received.
Spoke with an exec from Ferrari North America Tues. at the show and he wasn't aware of the competition.

Maybe next time
but I have no regrets with the 3 cars we did
although for whatever it's worth we did get the 2nd greatest votes for the online voting

 

Duo was robbed! Best design by far.

Speaking of which:

Would love to hear more on it as soon as you get clearance.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Tomorrow when I'm at my computer, I'll post some pix

https://www.facebook.com/Ferrari/app/524903014334673/

 

here's a sample of that team's development work
Dave Root & G.P. Lee
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I haven't got permission to view that page.

Nice!

Did they ever do any written or video presentations on Duo?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

yes, each team presented to Ferrari exactly 1 yr ago when the Ferrari designer was in town for the auto show
and they would present their progress to myself weekly

 

Will the presentations ever be made public?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

no because we never record them

is there anything in particular you'd like to know?

 

Well... I hope you won't be sorry you asked.

Which Ferraris inspired them and what aspects/features/details of them did they most try to evolve into their design? Was there a Ferrari inspiration and a "futuristic inspiration" that, when amalgamated, gave them something like the starting point for developing Duo?

How did they come up with the whole dual cockpit idea? Was there an aerodynamic advantage or purpose to the channel created in between the two roof bubbles - was it focusing air to an engine intake?

What does the interior look like? Are the occupants sealed off from one another and communicating via intercom or is it a low roofline in the middle with one connected cockpit?

It doesn't look like there are any gaps/joins/sections on the glass, so what happened to that when folks were opening the doors to get in and out?

In their presentation wall/poster, they mentioned issues of congestion, so what did they envisage any new powertrain for Duo or ways Duo would be a solution to that?

It really is an awesome design. I've quite the affinity for it.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Will answer tomorrow

 

Thanks John!

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Hmmm, anyone here believe that 'sketch development' page came BEFORE the finished entry?

 

I can assure you that in our case the sketches came before the models.

 

John: Am I crazy in thinking that the winning entry was developed further for the Ferrari video post entry?

 

it kinda looks like that to me, but I really have no way of knowing

 

These two focused on the importance of the engine to Ferrari. They likened the Ferrari engine to the human heart, hence the heart to Ferrari.
The 2 valves, Ventricle & Auricle were the kickoff point for the design. The twin cockpit theme was echoed with the twin valve theme. They also wanted to expose as much of the engine as possible. But the Duo theme came from the inspiration of the heart.

No aero advantages that I am aware of, but that would require CFD (computational fluid dynamics) study, which we had neither access to nor the time to perform.
These guys focused on the Exterior when the Ferrari rep suggested they spend their energy on the outside skin. The other 2 teams did Interior designs, but they wound up not being submitted nor shown.

You asked the same questions as I did regarding egress/ingress and we agreed there would have to be cutlines delineating how the glass sections would open for entry. They didn't show up on the final model.

Regarding the result of cars being banned from mega-cities, their plan was to utilize a hybrid/alternative power plant, but there were no specific solution for the congestion in cities.

Hopefully that answers your questions!

 

Well, as far as I know, this particular "Italian design" was done by Tom Tjaarda of Detroit , who also did my 330 S1 and the original Fiat 124 Spyder, traces of which can be seen in the Corvette pictured here.

BTW, I agree with you on that Vauxhall show car. Vauxhall did quite a few really good show cars around that time.
Was Wayne Cherry in charge at that time?

 

Sorry, I was only referring to the winning entry's page.

 

yes that was Wayne's work

 

no worries, just wanted to make sure no one thought we did the sketches after the fact, which is sometimes done in the industry

 

Thanks John!

With the heart as their inspiration, no wonder it has a natural appeal to someone with a biology PhD - they obviously did a good job with it too!

I have also anyways thought celebration of the engine is core to the Ferrari brand so, in my opinion, they definitely approached that in the right way too.

For egress/ingress, did you explore the idea to have the whole glass area as one articulated section, perhaps hinged at the front? When the side door opens, a powered system could open the roof, thus providing a way to avoid cutlines disturbing the roof shape. Perhaps a combination of this (pictured) and conventional doors.

How was the windscreen to be kept clear of road dirt and rain? That shape looks very difficult for windscreen wipers to deal with.

All the best,
Andrew.
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Andrew, yes that was their strategy for operating the doors. The windshield was to have been fixed with the canopy operating much like fighter aircraft
windshield wipers are an entirely different matter, but that level of detail was to be addressed later, they simply ran out of time

 

Were Vauxhall and Opel separate then?

 

There was also the Opel CD show car around 1970 that did a pivoting upper. In the Style Auto article a different opening was part of the design focus.

My Syyle Autos are in a different place than I am currently.