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Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. energy88

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    My take is that the design team was told to create something for Halloween.
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    HEMMINGS CLASSIC CAR
    How the Pontiac Aztek became the Pontiac Aztek
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    This story won’t mention Walter White. Nor will it give glory to the pile-on that has declared the Pontiac Aztek the ugliest vehicle ever built. And it certainly won’t try to change anybody’s love/hatred of the Aztek; taste is subjective, after all. It will, however, attempt to explain how the Aztek came to stand out in the automotive marketplace and in subsequent automotive culture, for better or worse.

    By the mid-1990s, GM had fallen into a torpor. The Roger Smith era, which ended with his retirement in 1990, left the company inflexible and ill-prepared to handle an increasingly dynamic automotive marketplace. Smith’s successor, Robert Stempel, rose through the ranks of GM from its engineering team and seemed to understand the product side of the business, but not the business side of the business, which left the company in the hands of John G. Smale and Jack Smith, both accomplished businessmen who came from Procter & Gamble and from GM’s planning and operations side, respectively.

    Smale and Jack Smith, ready to turn GM around, turned their eye toward product in 1994. “Smale decided to bring the world’s biggest automaker a dose of the give-the-people-what-they-want ethic that had animated Smale’s old company, Procter & Gamble Co.,” Jonathan Weisman wrote for the Washington Post. “And what the people wanted was sexy, edgy and a bit off-key; in short, a head-turner.”

    Specifically, as Bloomberg’s David Welch wrote, “GM wanted to prove it could transcend its engineering-dominated culture and design a hip, affordable vehicle for young buyers and move it quickly through a traditionally slow-moving bureaucracy.”

    Out at GM’s West Coast Advanced Concept Center in Thousand Oaks, California, Tom Peters, then the director of the ACC, took Smale’s directive to his team, which was already investigating “active outdoor lifestyle” vehicles much like the Pontiac Stinger from a few years prior. As he told TFL, he asked his team, “What if you took a Camaro and a Blazer and put it in a blender?” and called the resulting The North Face jacket-inspired sporty all-wheel-drive people and gear hauler – based on drawings by Brigid O’Kane – the Bear Claw.

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    “The initial Aztek ‘Bear Claw’ concept was based on an S-series full-frame platform with four-wheel drive, an off-road wheel/tire package and an aggressively styled body featuring big flared wheel arches, a low roof and a wide track,” he told TFL.

    It generated plenty of excitement within GM. Perhaps too much excitement, as Bob Lutz later wrote for Road & Track.

    The guy in charge of product development was Don Hackworth, an old-school guy from the tradition of shouts, browbeating, and by-God-I-want-it-done. He said, “Look. We’ve all made up our minds that the Aztek is gonna be a winner. It’s gonna astound the world. I don’t want any negative comments about this vehicle. None. Anybody who has bad opinions about it, I want them off the team.”

    Such an attitude might have benefited the Aztek had it hewed close to the truck-based Bear Claw concept. However, as Weisman wrote, “General Motors’ culture took over from there. Design would be by committee, the focus groups extensive. And production would have to stick to a tight budget.”

    The latter constraint meant that, instead of basing the resulting production vehicle on the S/T chassis, the Aztek would instead have to run on the GMT200/U-body minivan platform – the second-generation front-wheel-drive successors to the so-called dustbuster minivans.

    “This created some serious design challenges and forced us to move away from the original design intent,” Peters told TFL. “For example, the cowl and roof had to be raised and the body narrowed. This caused the dash to axle dimension to be raised and moved forward while the minivans small wheels and tires forced the wheel arches to become smaller.”

    Then, as Lutz pointed out, even though GM submitted the Aztek to plenty of focus groups, GM brass discounted the criticisms levied at the design and at the same time encouraged the designers, engineers, and product planners working on the Aztek to focus on meeting internal development goals and timelines. “Everybody wanted to will this thing to succeed, and it didn’t work,” he wrote. “All the emotional commitment and pride in the program was that it achieved all its internal objectives.”

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    The Aztek concept arrived in 1999 with the focus on active outdoor lifestyles intact and with Peters himself introducing it. Though not quite the Bear Claw, it was still hailed for its aggressive looks and for taking on the nascent crossover category.

    A year later, the production Aztek landed as a late 2000 model year vehicle with almost all of the aggressiveness of the 1999 concept erased and with Pontiac’s massive body cladding installed. It came with a tent, sure – just like the Vega and the Nova did in the Seventies – along with all-wheel drive and the lauded removable cooler that doubled as an armrest, but sales did not proceed apace. According to Welch, within months GM started offering rebates to move the Aztek off lots and reduced its annual sales forecast from 75,000 to 50,000. Just 11,200 sold in the short 2000 model year and no more than 28,000 in each of the next three years.

    “That’s a rough start for a vehicle that GM had hoped would signal a design renaissance,” Welch wrote.

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    Its disappointing sales led GM to show a lowered Aztek with a longitudinal V-8 swap and reconfigured wheel arches to fit bigger tires at SEMA in 2003 or so – a concept that probably turned more heads than any Aztek detractor thought possible – but the sales slide continued, and Pontiac canceled the Aztek in 2005. GM sold nearly three times as many of the Aztek’s platform mate, the Buick Rendezvous.

    Amid the ubiquitous criticism of the Aztek, it did find some earnest appreciation. Owner praise led to high marks from the American Customer Satisfaction Index and from J.D. Power and Associates. And, as Matthew DeBord and others have since noted, GM (perhaps inadvertently) was ahead of the crossover curve with the Aztek, leveraging the legacy of the Stinger and Peters’s Camaro-Blazer fusion concept into an entirely new segment that now dominates the automotive landscape.



    JOHN: So how close to the gritty truth is this version? I think they go too easy on the P&G influence - cars are not soap boxes on the grocery store shelves.
     
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    Their latest front end designs seemingly have ‘come off the rails’ as far as I’m concerned.
     
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    I was right next door in the other Pontiac Exterior Studio , and watched that whole train wreck take place. The article soft pedals the circumstances, but essentially what it says is true.
     
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    A little bit of progress in packaging the equipment for the Lexus self-driving car since last time posted. More streamlined, but still looks like a police car. Why the tri-colors on top?

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    Maybe I'm missing something here; why doesn't the Tesla need all that ****e on the roof for its self-driving capabilities?
     
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    Because the Tesla will occasionally still run into things even with an attentive driver in place...
     
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    This is not just a self driving car. Toyota are developing the future. A connected autonomous infrastructure where all the vehicles communicate and know where everything around them is. This is the path to successful autonomy as opposed to random cars that can drive themselves.
     
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    Takes the concept of ‘dash to axle’ to a whole new level.
     
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    A tangent...
    Speaking of Chrysler....

    Just read that FCA Chrysler has just merged with PSA (Peugeot/Citroen)... 50/50...today.
     
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    Yes they did. Big news here in the Motor City
     
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    My friend is VP of design for DS Automobiles (Citroen Luxury offshoot). It will be interesting to see if the US gets any influence from the new partnership. Perhaps an upscale Chrysler luxury brand.
     
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    And you can add Opel to the mix
     
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    Do you know Naga Tandjung? (He seems to know a lot of people) When I graduated from Art Center, Opel offered anyone in my class a job. Naga accepted and went off to Germany. I believe he is still working there.
     
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    Can’t say that I know him.
     
  21. Tcar

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    And don't forget Vauxhall.... haha...
     
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    Ultimate test for Jeep's carrying capacity?
     
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    Excellent point...
     
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    Can’t wait for the Dongfeng Laredo 808 Panda Diplomat to debut in three years time.
     
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