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    But, but, but, Cadillac OWNS vertical taillamps. Now what?:rolleyes:
     
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    Me thinks Volvo may disagree (respectfully of course)!

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    Overall, it is a spectacular car. I love the clean lines and surfaces. I'm sure they'll sell a lot of them amongst those who can afford to buy them. :)

    It looks like the shark gills (vents) of older designs were nodded to with the U-shaped door inserts, but these aren't vents at all. They look a bit like a motif I'd expect on an electric car trying to appear familiar to an ICE-accustomed market. Maybe two vertical lines rather than a U-shape would have been better? I'm just not sold on the U, but that's pretty pedantic.

    The prestige version is a little blingy and the bronze looks a bit tacky. The stealth version looks like a sport version of the car and I assume will be popular - one advantage is it hides the U a little bit, but then you lose the detail in other areas. The standard car looks the best of all three versions.

    Illuminated, the tail lights look ok but when switched off the vertical black lines feel a little odd. I am not sure exactly why, and certainly can't articulate it, but they just feel like something different should have been done there.

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    Somehow I knew that was coming.
    But has Volvo had them since 1948? :confused:
     
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    When someone can explain those 'inserts' on the doors, i'll be put at ease.
    I love the design of the new vehicle, no question. It checks all my boxes.
    If Apple or Jony Ives did an SUV, this is it IMO. However...................those 'things' on the doors? WT.........?
    Minimalist indeed.
     
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    John did you spend a lot of time in China, if so what part?
     
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    ^ that is beautiful!
     
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    Maybe they are bringing back giant trafficators? It's a British thing, you know. :eek:
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    Who knew? I thought you were 'limited' to aircraft......Have you done any other automobilia?
     
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    Bill Mitchell's last car.
    https://www.shannons.com.au/club/news/retroautos/the-phantom-bill-mitchells-last-gift/?fbclid=IwAR2vrHdjyEuX52mQ_0FH8Vi1gw71zeOW_gwrCRWbXqJePMn_UM48L0t-8cY


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    The Phantom: Bill Mitchell’s Last Gift.
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    The stunning Phantom concept car was the last hurrah for General Motors (GM) design boss Bill Mitchell. It was to be a fully operable automobile and he commissioned it primarily as a retirement gift for himself.

    These days, the long, black Phantom sits, brooding almost, at the Sloan Museum in Flint, Michigan. It is a fibreglass “push mobile”, on a Pontiac Grand Prix chassis. There’s no drive train and the interior is just a mock-up. So, what happened to Mitchell’s dream?

    Retroautos has been given access to previously unpublished photos of the Phantom’s creation, thanks to the archivists at the GM Heritage Centre, Michigan.

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    Various engines were considered for the Phantom, including a V16 comprising two linked V8s.
    The story of the Phantom has become the stuff of automotive folklore.

    In early 1976 Mitchell could see his GM mandated retirement looming ahead. He’d be 65 years old in July 1977 and gone from GM. He’d been at the company for 42 years. For 20 of those years, he had been the design supremo, only the second person to have held that role. Back then, more people had walked on the moon than led GM’s design efforts. In fact, that holds true even in the 21st century.

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    Razor sharp fender tops honoured Mitchell’s 1963 Stingray.
    The styling themes which Mitchell had championed ensured GM retained its styling and market leadership through the 1960s and into the 1970s. Iconic cars, large and small, emerged from the company’s design studios across the world. It is estimated that Mitchell influenced the shape of 75+ million vehicles during his tenure.

    With Mitchell’s brilliance came a well-documented behavioural downside. He held strident opinions, including views about certain GM executives, which he would share in public. Peter Robinson captured the man in an astute summation in the January 2007 edition of Motor Trend:

    “Bill Mitchell was profane, a bigot, often drank to excess, a womanizer and either loved or hated by his designers. But William L. Mitchell….was one of the great car designers, a dictatorial but inspiring leader, a genuinely funny man with a repertoire of tension-defusing one-liners, and, most important, an often visionary design sense.”

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    Were the thin chrome lines on the bonnet a reflection of Vauxhall’s or Pontiac’s trademark flutes?
    With the Phantom, Mitchell wanted a spectacular car that celebrated his achievements. It would be a car in which he could literally drive out of the main gates at the GM Technical Centre in triumph and into a well-earned retirement. And so, he issued orders to re-open his mythical Studio X.

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    The pronounced fenders hark back to a time when a car body and fenders were separate.
    Studio X had been set up by Mitchell in 1958 to allow him and a small group to work on special projects. Its location, in a converted filing room in the basement of the Technical Centre, ensured it was hidden from senior GM executives who might want to stop such projects. From its restricted confines came the 1959 Corvette Stingray Racer (which was the template for the 1963 Stingray), two Mako Shark concepts, Monza SS and GT, Chevrolet Astro I and the mini-Camaro.

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    The clay model of the first Mako Shark being developed in the small and secret Studio X, in April 1961.
    A young designer, Bill Davis, was given the task by Mitchell of converting his idea into a reality. What Michell had in mind was a luxury personal car which combined the “classic” shapes of the late 1920s and early 1930s—such as Delahaye, Cord, Duesenberg, Bugatti, Hispano-Suiza—with “Mitchell era” design themes. In other words, modern “retro”.

    The classic shapes had long been cherished by Mitchell. He’d been fascinated by them when growing up in New York City. In 1987 he was interviewed by author C. Edson Armi for his book The Art of American Car Design and said:

    “I was brought up on big cars. In New York, as a kid, the Isotta-Fraschinis and Hispano-Suizas with long hoods, were always my cars. Not long decks (boots)—I didn’t like the long deck….I’d walk down 57th Street and look at those big cars. Of course I was fortunate enough to have lived in that golden era….but now, they are all boxes.”

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    Growing up in New York City in the late 1920s and early 1930s, Mitchell would visit the auto salons to see the great cars of the era. They made a lasting impression. These photos were taken at the Nethercutt Museum in Los Angeles, CA. The Museum’s main display floor, which was built to resemble a New York City auto salon of the 1930s, showcases exceptional classic automobiles. The silver car is the famed “Twenty Grand” Duesenberg.
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    What Davis delivered was decidedly “retro” and certainly reflected Mitchell’s brief. Commented Holls and Lamm in their book A Century of Automotive Style:

    “The Phantom represented that nostalgia Mitchell felt for the classics during those waning days of his vice presidency.”

    The first full sized clay was a notchback and originally given the temporary label “Madam X”, in recognition of the Madam X V16 Cadillacs of the early 1930s. After Mitchell saw the full-sized clay, the notchback was replaced with a fastback roof line featuring a split rear window. It sat on wire spoke wheels and was painted silver.

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    Bill Davis’ first full size model of the Phantom, then called Madam X.
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    The almost vertical rear window of the Phantom reflects cars of the classic era, and predicts a design theme used by GM, and others, in the late 1970s through to the 1990s.
    A number of engine configurations were considered, with a V16 the most favoured.

    To convert the car into an operational vehicle Mitchell needed one of the divisions to apply money and engineering skills to get it to a point where it could be presented to the GM Board for approval. Pontiac agreed to help.

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    The notchback roof line has been replaced with a fastback, including a split rear window, a Mitchell favourite.
    The clay model was taken to the Pontiac studios where more work was done to refine the exterior shape, bumper bars and interior layout. The car was repainted black and re-named “Phantom”.

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    It is late 1976 and the Phantom is now located in a Pontiac styling studio, where a sign on the back wall draws attention to sketches for the 1980 Firebird.
    A fibreglass body was constructed and fixed to a late 1960s Pontiac Grand Prix chassis. At this point there was no engine, drive train or working suspension. A mock up interior was created, barely visible through the dark Perspex windows. When the work was finished Mitchell posed for publicity photos with the car and a media release was written.

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    Big, thick bumper bars detract from the slinky shape, but give a clue as to how Mitchell intended to ensure that the operable Phantom would meet the new bumper bar regulations in the USA. In these photos the car has wire wheels, red pin striping and louvers in the front fenders. Note the dashboard is also displayed.
    When the media release and photos landed on the desks of car magazine editors around the world what they saw was a striking blend of modern and “retro”. The body lines were curved and voluptuous. The surfaces were smooth and sheer. The bonnet was flamboyantly long and the boot exaggeratedly short. The front end, with its 1930’s “cat-walks” between the razor-sharp fenders and the centre of the bonnet, demanded your attention The rear end elegantly faded away. Minimal “jewellery” and trim adorned the car. Chrome was added only to emphasise a styling line. The scalloped wheel wells were painted red, a reminder of Pontiac’s Strato Star dream car from the 1955 Motorama. So far so good.

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    The cost of making this bespoke dashboard for the Phantom, and ensuring the electrics worked, would have been significant. The digital display was dropped in favour of gauges from GM’s parts bin, which can be seen in the previous photo. The red wheel wells came from the 1955 Motorama Pontiac Strato Star dream car.
    But then a few problems started to emerge. In a publicly listed company such as GM, to develop a one off, fully operable metal bodied vehicle, that would then be given free to a retiring corporate vice-president, required significant financial, technical and people resources. Legal and regulatory approval hurdles would need to be overcome. Mitchell would not have had the authority to approve it for himself. More senior executives had that level of power. If he was to realise his vision, Mitchell needed others to advocate on his behalf, especially his boss, Howard Kehrl, who was ten years younger than Mitchell in 1977.

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    The final form of the Phantom. This is a clay model. Gone are the side louvers, big bumper bars, wire wheels and red pin stripes. The rear window is recessed to allow a brake light to be fitted across the top of the window.
    And it was at this point in the story where we return to Holls and Lamm for their almost eye witness description of what happened next.

    “Mitchell brought the Phantom to a big GM Board show at the Milford proving grounds. He intended to present it to the corporation’s directors as a surprise. Howard Kehrl, the victim of many a Mitchell insult, spotted the Phantom in the staging area and ordered it removed from the proving grounds forthwith. Mitchell was furious but this was a battle he could not win. His clout had ebbed away, he was too near retirement and no longer had anyone at the top to back him up.”

    That was that. Mitchell retired soon after, without the Phantom. Howard Kerhl became the vice-chairman of GM.

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    One of two very rare photos of GM’s high security workshop where fibreglass and metal prototypes are constructed. This process is very expensive. Some models cost upwards of half a million dollars in time, materials and labour.
    At the end of a rarely seen film covering Mitchell’s career and successes, commissioned especially to be shown at his retirement cerebrations, he poses next to the Phantom while the voice over states:

    “He leaves a legacy of car designs that express his flair and style, the most recent a two-passenger luxury automobile, the Phantom.”

    Then, he gets into his 1959 Stingray Racer and the camera follows him as drives off around a curve and into the distance, leaving the Phantom behind.

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    That the Phantom reached the fibreglass stage in its development indicates the high level of confidence Mitchell had that his retirement gift would be approved.
    As with all concept cars who’s use-by date had expired, the Phantom went into storage awaiting an order for destruction. But a group of GM designers rescued it and a deal was struck to house it at the Sloan Museum in Flint, Michigan.

    So, what’s the conclusion about the Phantom?

    Stewart Reed, who is the Chair of the Transportation Design department at the Art Centre College of Design in Pasadena, California, from where almost 50% of the worlds’ automotive designers have graduated, put the Phantom into perspective for the book The Art and Colour of General Motors:

    “The design represents the last gasp of the qualities that defined the legendary Mitchell era at GM.”

    For me it certainly represents an amalgam of many of GM’s best known design themes in one car. It entertains with an outrageous individualism, sinister swagger and dark gothic glamour. Had it been sold as an Eldorado, Toronado or Rivera, I can imagine it stopping traffic and pedestrians as it cruised along the wide avenues and grand boulevards of the great cities of the world. On Woodward Avenue in Detroit, it would have created pandemonium.

    The Phantom is Bill Mitchell!

    Retroautos is written and published by David Burrell with passion and with pride. A special thanks to John Kyros at the GM Heritage Centre for his research.

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    Bill Mitchell and the Phantom. There is no doubt it would have been a traffic stopper!
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    Last side rear quarter panel has an air intake scoop; right side doesn't. :eek: Buick port holes on cowl quite innovative. :oops:
     
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    One of my personal faves is the 'industrial strength' front bumper. Particularly the exposed rivets.
    LONG before bumper regulations. Those Russkies! :rolleyes:

    The portholes? One for each cylinder?
     
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