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Discussion in 'General Automotive Discussion' started by TcpSec, Sep 25, 2005.

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  1. TcpSec

    TcpSec Formula Junior

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    Saw a merc on a tow truck today. The a-pillar had collapsed and that could not have been good news for the driver. Overall, the damage to the car did not look too bad. I have seen the same issue with a few other cars and it makes me wonder how safe we are in sports cars?

    So, my question is, should we even drive a sports car without a full roll cage? Does putting in a full roll cage buy me much more security if there is a road accident? What are the negatives? Would like to hear your opinion?

    And please, no discussion about importance of roll cage on tracks.
     
  2. infraredline

    infraredline Formula 3

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    even with a full cage, you're in a less good position than a truck. You have to drive a sports car like a motorcycle these days and be very away of everything going around you and keep escape routes open if someone tries to violate your car.
     
  3. 62 250 GTO

    62 250 GTO F1 Veteran

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    Adding more metal inside the car to bang your head on isn't a good idea.

    Buy a bigger car or SUV if safety is yuor main concern.
     
  4. luke9583

    luke9583 Formula 3

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    I have to respectfully disagree. There are famous file pics of a 40mph off center head on impact. The pics are of an f150 and a mini cooper. I would much rather have been in the mini.

    I think it's all relative to what you hit... and that you are in pretty good control of :)
     
  5. infraredline

    infraredline Formula 3

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    I'd like to see the pics, but one accident doesn't prove anything. Overall, everyone I've heard discuss this has confirmed that big, body-on-frame vehicles (trucks) can inflict massive amounts of damage to smaller unibody-type cars even at low speed.
     
  6. TcpSec

    TcpSec Formula Junior

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    We all know that when a big body strikes a smaller body, the smaller body has a greater likelihood of damage. However, that was not the intent of my posting.

    Again, my question is, if I put a full roll cage what does it buy me? Will it help me walk away from a 60-80-100-120 mph collision with another car. What about head on at 70mph? Are roll cages strong enough that there is a good chance the occupant will survive an impact from a big rig? (BTW, I have seen a guy walk away from big rig smack.....the car was a LS430)

    It will be great is someone shed some light on the performance parameters of full roll cages.
     
  7. infraredline

    infraredline Formula 3

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    I wouldn't do it unless you plan on wearing a helmet to protect yourself from yourself.
     
  8. senna21

    senna21 F1 Rookie

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    Crash data shows you're much more likely to get hurt in an accident if you're in a Truck/SUV than Car. Why? Because cars have to meet stricter regulations on passenger safety. The idea that bigger is better is just sheer ignorance. Cars have crumple zones to absorb impact as your Air-Bag does. I.E. slow the impact down over a given time and reduce it. SUVs because they’re classified as trucks (in order to get tax breaks and emissions breaks) don't need to meet the same crumple zone tests and passenger safety. So, when you get in an accident in energy of the impact that would normally be dissipated by the crumple zone gets transmitted directly through that stiff frame to the passengers. Just because the car or truck might look fine on the outside doesn’t mean the passengers on the inside are.

    Would a roll cage help you in an impact? Yes, it would help grad against intrusion. Newer cars, and some older ones such as Volvos, actually beef up their roof sections, A,B, and C pillars (if they're a 4 door) which is an ipso-facto roll cage. Double bars inside doors these days also work as a "integrated" cage once the doors are closed.

    Are you going to hit your head on it if you put one in and have an accident? Depends on how tall you are and where the A-pillar, roofline is.
     
  9. otaku

    otaku Formula 3

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    Well one way is indeed to buy a bigger well made safe car. Also you may want to try and go a step further than the 3point seatbelts and go with 4point they seem to work better. The thing with big cars is your more likely to cause/have an accident in one because of the size! Not to mention the lack of aerodynamics and horrid gas mileage. Tend to be slow to.
     
  10. TcpSec

    TcpSec Formula Junior

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    I know that and my question was more about some numbers that would quantify the performance of a full roll cage. Frankly, if numbers justify it, I would put it in all my cars.

    What other cars apart from volvo? Clearly the merc does not!


    Well this is a different topic as it relates to how the roll cage should be installed so that people do not bump against them. I would think that a 5-point harness will keep the occupants in place and prevent bumping against the cage.
     

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