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CARB 308GTB VS 308GTB QV

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  1. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    anyone here care to comment on how close in performance a early carb GTB is to a QV car. i really dont like the open "s" cars, and it seems the QV cars in closed GTB form are hard to find. i do miss my early GTB *20433* , but i wonder if a GTB QV would be nice to have? locally, my old GTB is still a really really fast example, but we dont know why. the new exhaust the new owner put on (hi Brian !) really woke up the car and it still has the crappy points ignition.

    as i have been the king of beater carb cars in the past, i am wondering if i should seek out a QV GTB to play with as a new challenge, or find another 76 or 77 GTB all over again.

    i hate being on the fence like this. any comments from those who have had access to both cars would be great. i swear the 78 and 79 carb cars are MUCH slower, so i really dont want one of those and the early injected cars with only 2V engines do nothing for me.


    my other options are a nice Turbo Lotus Esprit or 930 Porsche.




    :)
     
  2. Spasso

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    DAMMIT!!
    Quit screwing around wasting time by asking silly questions, tap the credit union, go by a Countach and be done with it. You will never have to agonize over such things again.

    BTW, with properly functioning advance mechanisms, a solid state ignition, reindexed cams and good carbs a '78/'79 308 isn't as slow as you think. You may have had a needy car in the past.
     
  3. Spasso

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    With all of the time and money you've expended in the last you could be driving a Boxer right now. Listen to me! Listen to the truth. BUY A BOXER!

    I think you should go see a doctor about your ADD
     
  4. thecarreaper

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    I don't think you should buy either 308. Like you, I have ADD as well so I can relate to your thinking and car-flipping patterns. People like you and I are never happy when trying to "settle" for something less than what we really want. I say get on some ritalin or Adderall and hold-off on buying anything until you can afford the Countach of your dreams. This will allow you to save the money and time you waste on flipping cars allowing you to get the Countach faster. Once you have your Countach you'll have no need to upgrade as it doesn't get any better than that and you will be able to relax at last.
     
  6. Sean F.

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    My GTB is nicely tuned, but has the points ing. as well and suffers from poor spark.

    I was racing through the back roads with another QV friend a while back. At a stop light, we raced off the line and the cars were very close (he "won"). But with a better ignition, and 245 (as he had) tires vs my 70-series 14 inchers I'm sure I could have edged him out. Also, he said my car sound incredible compared to his.

    Next on my list is the pertonix conversion. Then I'm think the Flowmaster option others have done is my next project.
     
  7. Newman

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    If it must be a 308 then get the best of both worlds, buy a QV and convert to carbs, that would work very well. Better yet, do the carb thing on a 328 or just buy a boxer like you should have a few months back. I know of 3 right now, 2 carbed and one injected, all three are red.

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  8. jimangle

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    Buy a Boxer already. You'd proably hate a QV with the catalytic converters and all.

    Spasso, I agree. I have a 79 carb car, and it runs great. I don't know if the cams have been indexed, but the car pulls like a b!tch for only having 230 hp.
     
  9. thecarreaper

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    :) great response, thank you. i was just wondering if QV would be worth having, if they were measurable faster in the usable rpm range than an early carb car. i also did not mean for my comments to demean the 78-79 owners. i had a 78gts and have driven 2 79's here locally and niether of the 3 later cars can keep up with my old GTB.

    yes i want a Countach, but it must be a carb car and those are way more than a BB512 and very very hard to find.

    i can buy a Porsche 930 turbo, a 89 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE and a carb ferrari 308 AND STILL HAVE CASH LEFT OVER !!! i have never financed any of my toy cars and 100k + for a carb Countach aint going to happen without some pain. seems to me i can buy 2 or all of the other cars on my list and own them outright and have a blast every time i go to take one out. hell i wont ever drive my truck with 3 toys here !

    since i am exempt from emissions, i should be able to find a 76-77 GTB/GTS that needs love.

    NEWMAN : all of the boxers i have seen and driven were $80k + and they were injected cars, i *MUST* have carbs, and there dont seem to be any cheap 365s or carb 512s around. i do think a BB is a better car to drive in town, and in summer traffic than an old Countach . but there are no Countachs around for me to sit in and test drive anywhere near me to be sure. seems it would be cheaper to have a few beaters again instead of one really nice car.


    the Jalpa did sound f'in cool though :cool: .
     
  10. Senna1994

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    No offense to the Lotus People, but I was always enamored by there looks until I drove an 89. Although the car was very nice handling, the engine was an on an off switch. The interior fit was terrible as well as being claustrophobic.

    Back on subject, go with the CARB car.
     
  11. J.P.Sarti

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    Whats missing with the 3x8s is really power, if you get another you will sell it soon as well with your pattern. Boxers have 308/328 looks but are more radical and have the needed power plus radical sounds, you can't go wrong buying one and will not lose money on one even if you financed part of it, get one before they become collector Ferraris in the very expensive category which will happen in the next few years.

    For someone that likes to tinker with these cars Boxers are a joy as well with easy access to that big masterpiece of a motor, no more worries about dropping wrenches on paint/bodywork you just sometimes bang your head on the front edge of the rear decklid.
     
  12. hardtop

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    I am one of the rare dudes that actually used to own a 77 308 and an 85 GTB, but not at the same time. Since you are already very familiar with the carb car, I'll just explain the difference. The QV is much more refined, and a very nice driving car, easier than the carbs. The motor has greater flexiblilty and lower gear ratios than the carb car. As far as power goes, it's really hard to say From a dead stop, the QV probably has the advantage, but at the top end, it's pretty close. Neither car will scare pretty much anything anymore, so I think the power question is moot. For what it is worth, the guy I sold the 77 to also got to drive my 85 and he didn't really see much difference. And you are right, QV GTB's in the US are rare as hen's teeth which I find appealing actually. If you are really thinking in this direction, you may wish to consider a 328 GTB. Not quite as rare, definitely more power and refinement. I have an 89 which is a keeper. Even though I have owned 3 308's, I think I could be sucked into buying a really nice glass car, especially a Euro or a really pristine QV GTB again if it's an interesting color.

    Dave

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  13. thecarreaper

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    :) well said, and i agree, but i have a friend who lets me borrow his Lotus from time to time and i love the freaking car. please remeber i came from old Z28's and Trans ams and they fell apart as your drove them !


    did i mention how cheap Esprits can be found for !
     
  14. thecarreaper

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    i agree, but its a power versus price thing. i actually prefer the 365BB to the 512 hands down, and i know they have weaker transaxles/ diffs and cooling issues. i also think you really hit on a great point in the power of the BB versus the 308. guess i should try to get a drive in a carb BB then :) !
     
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    i need to figure out how you guys add more than one quote in a response. sorry i had to it this way.....



    thanks for the comments Hardtop, i love the 328GTB, but i thought they were even rarer than a QV ! ? ! good to know they are close in performance, granted i dont race or push my cars that hard on the street, but the several 308s variations i have had and driver had very noticable personalities. seems a carb bb512 would be a hoot over a 308 or a 365. but they are less than a Coutach, but still " up there " in the scary price range.



    why i am so wierd and prefer the GTB over a GTS is beyond me ! :cool: but i swear they drive differently !


    i have Bluemels "V8" book, guess i need to some re -reading!


    thanks for the comments guys.
     
  16. thecarreaper

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    i am stil "LOL" at your post ....... :)



    you think i am bad with the cars...... sheesh , you should see me go through girlfriends....... i could write books !


    LMAO :)
     
  17. classic308

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    out for a GTB QV car. In the meantime, I'd look for a '94 S4S and a nice 86-89 930. The 930 could be your daily driver...:)
     
  18. thecarreaper

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    i found a 79 930 with a upgraded 3.3 with new turbos...... i dont think i am a good enough driver though for the car. i keep hearing they are a bit " peaky " with the power delivery. i know to stay off the boost in corners from my turbo trans ams and MR2'S :) . the s4s is a nice Lotus....... but its too much money for my cheap car collecting habits.

    i think Lamour beat me on flip time on his 328 though :) . but i can fit in all my cars !
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  19. patpong

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    Get a Testarossa... cost a bit more but you got whole lots more than what you pay for.... great daily driver grand touring.
     
  20. thecarreaper

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    JPSARTI CLEAR OUT YOUR PM BOX!!!!!! i have 930 turbo questions!!! :)
     
  21. J.P.Sarti

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    If you can find one to drive do it but be prepared to experience pure lust for the car after if its a good runner, they drive quite different than 3x8s, you can feel they are a serious machine made for speed as Boxers are still very fast cars

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  22. thecarreaper

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    pm sent !
     
  23. Newman

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    You are looking at under a hundred canadian for a carbed bb, there are 2 to choose from if you like red or red, take the plunge!
     
  24. branko

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    If you want a little more power, try a Euro 308 QV, not as much as a BB but more than a US 308 or a 328.
     
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  25. hardtop

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    The do drive differently. I had 2 GTS's (308 & 328) before getting the 77 GTB. I didn't keep the 77 very long, but it is no coincidence that my next 4 Ferraris were/are hardtops. There is a misconception that B's are only better on tracks. Actually, I think the track advantage is overrated. But as a street car, the difference is overwhelming IMO.

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