Carbon brakes.....do they last any longer than regular ones????

Q1 ... Yes. ALOT longer. According to Ferrari if the car is NOT tracked the ceramic rotors could last 30k, 40k, or even 50k miles! Only the pads would need changing. Then there is the magnificent braking ....

 

i think i get my brakes changed more often than most other people, probably be-

...oh, wait, you said carbon brakes... Sorry... i thought you said Carbon's brakes...

 

A lot longer. I have seen Canadian taxis fitted with carbon disks (!) simply because they way outlast cast iron. Weird - eh?

 

You jest...!


...right...?

 

I knew $100 for a 10 minute tax ride was too much!

 

Because they look AWESOME...!!!
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Why would anyone BUY an F430 and not track it

 

You can't compare your rotors on your Toyota to the rotors on a sports car. You don't drive your Toyota in the same manner you would drive your Ferrari (or maybe you do ). Anyway, rotor wear on a sports car is completely different. Not unheard of to have to change regular front steel rotors in 10k miles if you drive the car the way it was intended to be driven.

 

Track? LOL, i saw some 360 owners at an FCA event on the track. They should learn to drive first before going on the track!!! (seriously)


Some guys won't even drive their car in the rain(!). Oh no, my precious Ferrari is made of sugar that will melt in the rain. Oh geeze, it is just a car, they made MANY thousands of 360s and the 430 will probably be more than 360s. Heck, the 308 is more 'rare' than the 360 (and probably 430).

Twenty five years from now:
For Sale: Ferrari 360 with 35k miles, never tracked, never driven in the rain. $55,000 OBO (as the "present value of $" in the future will be about equal to $30k today).

 

spend 300k to let your Spider sit on girly brakes???
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Exactly!
Moreover, the question should be "Why would anyone NOT get carbon brakes?"
Carbon/ceramic brakes should last much longer than equivalent iron rotors.

 

ive never had them but i know many pcar drivers with carbon brakes swap out to iron rotors for track and street use then just save the carbons for when its time to sell. most reports ive read and heard say they wear out just as fast as iron. only tangible advantage is lack of fade during repeated use. at several thousand per corner i dont see it

 

No, i had some on my old gt3 and they didn't seem to!

 

Maybe the ceramic composition in partly carbon brakes is different, but when I contacted AP racing about a racing clutch, they told me the carbon versions would last around 10 times longer than a semi-metallic compound. Not sure if the same applies to brake rotors.

 

Q:

What's the difference between Porsche's Carbon brakes and Ferrari's carbon brakes? I've read many complaints of P-cars Carbon brakes on track, but none (that I know) of F-cars Carbon brakes.

Anyone knows the difference? Thanks

 

Hi Taffy,

Porsche and Ferrari use very similar compositions n the CCM, however the Porsche units began with a higher ceramic content and were more fragile because of this. The Ferrari units are higher in carbon and metallic content and a bit tougher. I believe Porsche has been on a continual development cycle with their CCM rotors, and I imagine they are improved.


The previous posts talk about longevity- the rotors should last far longer than 50k miles with normal or even sporting road use. It is the pads that will wear quickly. A big issue in the development of CCM brakes is getting a pad that will last as long as one for use with iron. Pad wear is going to be an issue with these systems for many years to come. As well, the dealer is charging insane prices for the CCM use pads. So the system is expensive to own and maintain both.

If you track the car on CCM brakes, the deceleration and fade resistance is amazing. But the wear rates will be very fast. Seems counterproductive from a longevity standpoint. However this is the price you pay for brakes that are ultra-lightweight and just about un-fadeable.

Eric

 

Porsche ceramics wear heavily on track, to the point where on of my friends GT3, the dealer will no longer warranty replacement if tracked. He's gone through 3 sets.
Ferrari may be different. That said I wouldnt want to be the Guinea pig on a new technology unless fully waranteed. It does look neat but at $6000 ?
Buy a Formula Vee and REALLY race.

 

Dear serious.

What actually happened was that the cab driver, during an extended soliloquy that covered everything known and knowable, told me his car was fitted with carbon disks. I couldn’t believe it, given that the rest of the machine was a desperate wreck - it was an ex-cop car that had had three engines and an equal number of trannies dropped in it over the last few years. Every time a motor and gearbox hit 100,000 miles it was replaced, or so I was told. At the end of the ride my chauffeur/seer waited at the curb while I hunkered down and had a look through the wheel holes at the brakes. Blacker than black, the disks really were carbon.

Thinking about it I wouldn't be surprised if that cab’s four corners weren't being used as beta testing sites. That particular taxi was a fleet car. It’s tires never grew cold - it had three drivers on eight hour shifts, and had so for years.

As I said, weird, eh?

 

Why won't the edit button work??

That wasn't supposed to be 'Dear Serious' , but 'Dead serious.'
Sorry!