Carbon Caramic vs regular brakes.

Can some one with actual experience between the two chime in? I know it's an $15K option on an 05 F430 but does it worth it over the stock brakes? Does the performance sets it apart? What about the longevity? How much to replace when the time comes? Most of the cars that I'm looking at do have it. Would love to hear back from you guys. Thanks

Khanh

 

street only- Steel

Street and track -CC

asthetics - CC


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To answer your question, yes there is a difference in performance. Carbon ceramics have little to no brake fade when used on the track hard, they're lighter than regular steel brakes and they supposedly last alot longer as well. Granted if you track your Ferrari very often, these brakes make a world of a difference. But if you use your Ferrari just for normal city driving and only that, the regular steel brakes don't hurt. But granted starting this past January, Ferrari supplies all of their new cars with carbon ceramics as standard equipment so you really don't have a choice. But the choice is really up to you. I think for a full brake job is right around 10k or so depending on how extensive the job is.

 

In addition....you don't get all of the brake dust on the rims with carbon ceramic that you get with standard steel rotors.

Just not having to clean the rims after every drive is worth all the money.

 

+1!!!

Exactly what i was thinking!

Not only the rims but the brake calipers stay amazingly clean, and with next to no effort look brand new!!

 

CC brakes carry little or no premium on the used market, so, I would prefer to have them when buying used. I bought mine new and didn't think they were worth the 15K+ price tag. The steel brakes aren't exactly crap BTW.

Dave

 

I actually like brake dust..

 

For the small premium you'll pay in the secondary market they're more then worth it. For most used car buyers the CCB system will become a must especially now that Ferrari has made them standard.

 

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Well as all NEW Ferraris now have CC Brakes, everybody will know that yours isn't if you don't have them !!!!!!!!!!

 

If anyone has read last monthes Road And Track "Evil Twins" that article raises the question if Ceramics are even and advantage at all, at least for street use. Almost every car tested in that article had better stopping distance with the steel parts vs the ceramics. There are a couple of different reasons for this, mainly that ceramics are like using a track pad for street use. If the compound isn't heated up (where a track pad is almost always hot as it is being used at speed the entire time) the consumable material of the pad has no bite on the rotor thus making for longer and less efficient stopping, ceramics need to be hot to perform properly. The counter to this is the lighter unsprung weight at each corner which will makethe car handle better, however, one would have a hard time getting a car to the limits of where that would actually be recognized on the street. I would say no to ceramics other than for aesthetics for a street car.

 

+1

 

On the track they make a huge difference. Well worth it IMO.

 

Well even if on the street if you drive "properly" in the dry that involves braking late and you can't do that as effectively with steel and if you want the REAL FERRARI experience, you can't be so cheap as to let 15K get in the way

 

How much does it cost to replace the pads and rotors?

 

Unfortunately, living in Los Angeles means living with heavy traffic and pedestrians. Not many opportunities to brake late into a nice turn, like in the Swiss alps. ( I used to summer in Zermatt-my parents still do 15 year later)

The other options for braking late such as stopping at a light or the car in front of you is not just foolish but dangerous. Especially since the car following you is not a Ferrari but an SUV with the driver on the cell phone.

Although steel is older technology, in cities like LA, it may be more than adequate.

 

No fade is important as are all the other things mentioned about CC brakes. But the rotors are just 1 part of the whole braking system. If you head out in your street Ferrari with Carbon brakes to the track and expect a race car, you might find the system as a whole a bit lacking. imo to get the most out of any brakes ..as long as we are talking track days only here.. is to replace fluids and pads as well.

I dont really like the Carbon brakes in my Stradale that much for tooling around town as they seem a bit grabby. On the track they dont stop as well as the steel brakes I had in the Challenge car. But having said that they look great, I love no dust buildup, I love how they are a balanced choice for both the track and street. I dont think there are any other brakes short of a full race brake set up (steel or carbon) that performs as well on the track. I think the brakes fit into the philosophy of racing on the track and then driving the car home. So I think they are a great compromise.

 

OEM steel in the track fade after some laps so I installed Brembo front and rear BBK performance in the street and track is perfect.But I would like CC but the price is just crazy if you want to buy them now...

 

Someone posted he got his done at a price of $28,000 and another guy said his was $32,000. I don't know, but that amount of money is crazy specially for a street or track car, it's not like your racing for a living. That's the reason that keeps me from a Stradale, but if I could replace them with big conventional Brembo then I would maybe do the switch and get one.

 

CC brakes do not stop any faster on the street and if cold will probably take longer then steel brakes. They are only needed on the track to prevent fade. The opions I have read here is that after 3 sets of pads you will need rotors. If you just use the car on the street you will probably use only one set of pads unless you put mega miles on your car and you will probably never need rotors. The costs are around $1800 for a pair of pads and about $4500 per rotor. So with labor it is a pretty expensive brake job. If you are looking at a used car I would think the condition of the pads would be an excellent way to determine how the car has been driven

 

Assuming just regular street driving, how long/miles do the pads last on these CC brake systems? How long/miles do the rotors last?

 

Thank you for the info!
Comparing this vs. standard steel: what would be the costs for pads and rotors?

How long are the steel-rotors and pads expected to last?

 

I don't know the answer to that

 

I take it no one who has the CCB option had to change a rotor(s) or set of pads yet? Otherwise, where's the input???

 

Many people already has on their Stradale. They have posted about this before and they might again, if not use the search option just in case.