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  1. stephens

    stephens F1 Rookie
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    Does anyone here have any experience with carbon/carbon race brakes? Not the carbon ceramics, but the real race brakes.
    I've been offered a set for the 550, which is desparately in need of a brake upgrade for track work. I'm really interested in the massive reduction in unsprung weight, but concerned about low temp effectiveness.
     
  2. Dubai Vol

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    Please excuse me for butting in but that doesn't sound like the solution you are looking for. First off you are right to be concerned about low temp effectiveness but more importantly I think the issue of durability would be paramount. With carbon-carbon you are looking at replacing pads and rotors frequently, at a large cost. Last time I looked it takes 6 months to make a carbon disc, and the price reflects that. Couple that with the wear rate and carbon-carbon is a very expensive proposition.

    While the latest technology has a certain appeal, it's worth remembering that plain old steel discs can be virtually as effective when properly designed. Case in point: when Ricardo Zonta had trouble adapting to carbon-carbon brakes in F1 (1999 IIRC,) Williams gave him steel discs. They never would have done that if the performance gap was significant.

    So the question becomes: how to you improve the effectiveness of your steel brakes? Two basic avenues of development are available, and can be applied in tandem: pads and cooling. I'm sure more knowledgeable members can direct you to more suitable pads for severe service, and probably can help you design ducts to direct more cooling air to the brakes.

    Again, I may be just a newbie here, but I have managed to learn a bit here and there over the years. Before I went to exotic solutions I would explore the basic proven methods that work perfectly well when done right.

    JMO YMMV
     
  3. stephens

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    Thanks for the feedback Scot. The race team that runs them says they get a season out of a set of rotors. I just replaced my rotors about a month and a half ago and they're about ready for replacement again.
    I was told that they are sucseptible to damage from rocks etc.
     
  4. ferrarifixer

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    The race team that runs them have only done one event using them... Bahrain, and that was only sprint races. A 600kg F1 car uses a set every 300km.

    Appealing as they are, it's just a labyrinth of potential problems for compromised road/track use.

    Big steelies are the way to go. 4 Pot calipers will mean your M/Cyl can be left alone.

    Pad area is the biggest area of required improvement, second is disc diameter. Cooling third.
     
  5. stephens

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    Yeah seems to be the consensus, spoke to Allan today, said I would be much better off with steel brakes, given the issues with street use and expense.
     

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