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  1. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    For being faster than him and finishing in front of him 90% of the time his car hasn't got any issue.....
     
  2. LVP488

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    So when Leclerc is behind, it's "because his car has got an issue", when he's in front, it's never because Sainz's car is having an issue, it's because he's faster...
    This narrative may not be sustainable forever; sooner or later, observers will get tired of it if there is not a real demonstration by Leclerc.
     
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  3. johnireland

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    The only way to evaluate Leclerc vs Sainz is by the season end points on the board divided by number of mechanical failures. On my non-scientific level, so far, Charles doesn't make the maximum of what he's got, and Carlos does. Replacing Sainz with Hamilton was a silly move that has bought the team nothing that will help them in 2025.
     
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  4. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    The pairing was working well. No driver is perfect but together Charles and Carlos is effective. The flamboyance of the current Ferrari leadership is interesting at the Corporate level/Elkann.
     
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  5. Jack-the-lad

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    Skyguy, yesterday: “Ricciardo is making his way through the field.” I looked at the timing tower. Ricci Danny was 14th, 8 seconds behind his teammate. He may be Horner’s biggest mistake since…well, you know.;):D
     
  6. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I think in the long run CS was a keeper. Hamilton will deliver a lot of attention and drama but by next year and certainly by 2026 he won’t be delivering results. They should have kept Carlos.
     
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  7. cairns

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    I'd like to see Mercedes or McLaren pick him. I think Red Bull is too toxic an environment. The guy has class and spirit- I think he has a lot more in him but we'll see. If I were Toto or Zac I'd be taking that chance.
     
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  8. SMSD

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    I never understand the Danny Ric boosters (irrespective of Horner) -- what has he done of significance since leaving Red Bull? What has he done to deserve that second seat? Crickets.

    He had a good tire test at Silverstone and Devries was not working out so they said **** it. But to go from there to second seat at red bull is a huge leap. Watching that race yesterday, why would you replace Perez with either Yuki or Ric? Neither deserve it. I would personally love to see him go to Red Bull and whip HAM and LEC, but not sure that is a good place for him longer term. Merc is fine, but they really want KA in that seat so is he a placeholder and if so why would he want that? Not a lot of good options, but all things being equal I would rather win and that for me means he should go to Red Bull but be prepared to get knifed in a few years, assuming that is an option anyway.
     
  9. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I don’t think he’ll start another race in a Red Bull. His best years are behind him. With all of Perez’s flaws he’s still leagues ahead of Ricci Danny.
     
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  10. johnireland

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    Considering the mess that Jos Verstappen is creating at Red Bull (the typical stage mother syndrome) I think RB is no longer the place to want to go. Max will be put under the gun to support his father or Horner, and that could compromise his driving...or even cause a large exodus of Red Bull talent including Horner and Newey. Mercedes seems to continue its slide backwards. Sainz doesn't need to step into either of those situations. Be he could move into Sauber/Audi a year early, ease Bottas into reserve status, and let 2024 be the year Sainz is the driver the team builds itself and its car around for 2025.
     
  11. furoni

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    Do you have doubts Charles had issues with his car? Did he sudenly become as talented as Latifi and started blocking wheels at every single corner? Perhaps you know something we don't. Care to share?
     
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  12. ago car nut

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    Ham made Ferrari worth more with the move next year. IMHO I think he is over the hill, and to self centered. Wonder why Ferrari would take him on? He sure doesn't know mechanics! (My battery is dead) YOU USED IT UP! You have to recharge it. 1st time in car LOL.









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  13. Edward 96GTS

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    Ham to Ferrari is all about Ferrari selling more cars to fans of Ham. its a huge PR move to enhance the brand that might otherwise buy cars(ie suv’s) from a different manufacturer.
     
  14. ferrariwithsnowtires

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    Sainz can drive
    Why wouldn't he want a seat in the best car and working with the best team, RB
    All F1 teams have drama
    Perez has to both perform and avoid making Max angry at him to keep his seat
    Daniel was in a right place at the right time to get back into any seat so good for him, seems like he is a lot less of a jerk these days
    I would love to know who and how much is being paid to put Yuki in the seat he doesn't deserve
     
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  15. jcurry

    jcurry Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The driver with the lower value is the one who makes the maximum of what he's got.
    2023 results
    CL 206 pts 4 DNF (2 crash, 2 mechanical), 1 DQ
    CS 200 pts 1 DNF (mechanical)

    CL ends up with more points even with 5 to 1 disadvantage in zero point outings. How you arrived at your conclusion is bewildering.
     
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  16. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    So Charles and all his issues with mistakes etc, is paid double over Sainz for 6 points lol. Sainz entire weekend was ruined by the track in Vegas. As an example. Together they make a strong pair for Ferrari but Charles is not worth double Sainz salary at all. He is grossly over paid in comparison and in what points he earns.
    He is now a journeyman and has too many poles for too few wins and is not worth what he is paid. They fired the wrong driver actually lol.
     
  17. furoni

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    The only mistakes he makes are the ones in your head and Sainz fanboys...i've seen far worse from Elton, Carlos, Smug and company in the last couple of years...and they are all driving slower than him!
     
  18. jcurry

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    Your first sentence invalidates everything you say afterwards.
     
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  19. SMSD

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    how does this analysis take into consideration grid penalties for equipment related failures? Carlos was handed a 10 place penalty in Vegas for something not his fault. Or penalties for when a PU is swapped because of failure? If you are going to do this type of analysis it needs to be more comprehensive than this.
     
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  20. Giallo 550

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    Pray tell, what "mistake" did Leclerc make on Saturday? Not rolling out the red carpet for Sainz to pass does not count.
     
  21. JL350

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    Charles give me the impression he engages with the fans a lot more than Carlos. At the Italian GPs he speaks in Italian and says great things about the brand and the crowd, Carlos not so much, even when he finishes ahead of Charles. If the same happens within the team I can see why they chose Charles.
     
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  22. jcurry

    jcurry Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Not my ****ing analysis. I was responding to someone else who drew the wrong conclusion from his analysis.

    But sure, let’s add up all the times the pit screwed Charles. Regardless in the end Charles had more points.
     
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  23. Giallo 550

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    Leclerc has to lead the series in getting ****ed over and let down by his team over the past several seasons. That's not to say he hasn't made any mistakes, but both drivers are far from infallible.
     
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  24. furoni

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    They all are (apart from max that starts in front has a perfectcar/team/racing engeneer)a cuck teammate, and half a second advantage over everyone (still, merit on him for not screwing it up). Tell me one top driver (aside from Max for the reasons stated before) that isn't making mistakes?
     

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