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  1. billnoon

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    #1 billnoon, Apr 5, 2006
    I had a client drop off a bunch of early 50s through mid 60s yearbooks, Mille Miglia Documents and brochures last week. He asked me to sell the stuff of for whatever the market would provide.

    One of the pieces is a rather interesting Vignale book published in 1967. It is a first edition and I thought it was some sort of a year book but covering their entire production run from 1946 until 1957.

    I have been getting a lot of questions and also some input that this was a limited piece Vignale put together for favored clients and his suppliers. If anyone is familiar with this book can they let me know.

    I have listed some of the stuff and will be posting more later all at no reserve on ebay.

    Here is a link and I would value any input or thoughts from this group as I only wish any perspective buyers to understand what they are getting.

    http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbnoonsymbolicmotorsQ2ecom

    Warm regards,

    Bill Noon
     
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    #2 Christian.Fr, Apr 5, 2006
    sur it s rare, the price grew up quickly.
     
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    #3 dretceterini, Apr 5, 2006
    There is, of course, the Ferrari Vignale book, plus a fairly new one with paper cover in the series on Italian coachbuilders and small makers by A.Fornai, but I've never heard of, or seen a Vignale "factory" book before!
     
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    Here is the requested Vignale Bodied Alfa Romeo... Very sexy... I have zero information on this car. What is it Stu ???

    Cheers,

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    #5 dretceterini, Apr 5, 2006
    OK, long story....and I am doing a long article of which I will send you a copy when it is done..

    In 1938, the rules for GP changed to 3 liter, so Alfa had spare 12c36 (4.1 liter) and 12c37 (4.5 liter) motors left over. According to Fusi, there were 4 cars built using 8c2900A chassis with 12c37 motors, but I have ever discovered, with the help of Simon Moore, Patrick Italiano and others is 2.

    Both cars originally had coachwork similar to quite a few of the Alfa 6c2500/Tipo 256 spiders; kind of like a "squared off" 8c2900B MM.

    There is some information in Simon Moore's 8c2900 book on the 412s, but nothing definitive, and nothing has really been "updated" since the book was written; almost 20 years ago.

    One car is in the Schlumpf Museum, with a totally ugly rebody done in the late 1950s, I believe, in Belgium. Both cars ran with the first type body in 1939, and one of the cars, with the same type coachwork, ran again in the 1950 MM, and also in some Swiss races after WW2, in red with a white engine bonnet. I believe that it is the car that is in Schlumpf.

    It appears the original chassis numbers were 412037 (the car with the Vignale rebody) and 412038, but this would make the cars 8c2900Bs, and Fusi says they were 8c2900As! The motor numbers appear to have been 412151 and 412152 respectively.

    Doug Nye says the car in the Schlumpf Museum was examined by "Jenks" 30 years ago, and has chassis number 412152 stamped on it (same as the motor number)!!?? Of course it was typical to restamp chassis and/or motors at that time, for customs clearance and other purposes.

    The Vignale bodied car was actually at Volpini's shop in Milan circa 1959, and Mark Wallack saw it there. It was offered to Henry Wessells for around $5000, but he turned it down. Runmors exist that the car is in either Spain or South America, but all my South American Alfa friends say no. In the early 60s, there was an article in Road and Track about this car being driven through the streeys of Milan. Some called it a Nardi at that time, but it has no connection to Nardi. The Alfa book "Alfa Milano" says it had a 16 cylinder Alfa motor in it, which is (obviously) wrong..

    Best,
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    #6 billnoon, Apr 5, 2006
    ...all I can say is.... WOW!!! I guess I will have to start looking under some rocks and in some barns again!

    Speaking of South American Treasures... I had the chance to chat with Fro Gonzales yesterday on the phone... Despite speaking both Spanish and Italian at the same time in a local "Pampan" accent no less... he was as always more than a little enthusiastic and quite cheerful wishing anyone who is still a fan his best.

    Cheers,

    Bill
     
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    #9 dretceterini, Apr 12, 2006
    Sorry, I have no idea how many different versions exist..

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