Hello Everyone, I recently got this baby to be confronted to error codes including 1445, 1446 and 1448. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login I've performed a full service including timing belts, filters and spark plugs. I fetched the codes with a simple ODB2 327 interface, following a "Slow Down" then "Engine check" warnings : After a little while, the "Slow down" disapears and the "Engine check" appears, but the car keeps going as normal. Water and oil temp are "normal", pressure as well. No strange noises, no weird fumes or smells. Everything looks fine. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login All codes are related to the catalyst, but obviously the real problem migth be elsewhere. Anyway, on these pictures you'll see a connector attached to nothing, and I can't find a relevant sensor or part it would might be connected to. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login It's wiring joins the main harness under the left throttle, it's the smallest loom in the area. Maybe it causes the error codes. What you guys think ? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
im not 100% sure, but its an unused harness, the same connector is clipped at a cluster of harnesses at the engine bay in my car. i can find a pic later for u where on earth did you find the yellow colored bearing for timing belt tensioner? the error code could be cat ecu or thermal couple, or a real hot catalyst. Possibility decreasing in the order mentioned.
Thanks for your answer. Bearings came from superformance.co.uk It's likely their last kind of supply. I went for another ride with an enhanced OBD2 app and read O2 Sensors after erasing error codes. It looks like the S83 & S84 read quite different while S81 & S82 are similar. On top of that, the S84 has 0 as Min value, and I don't like that. I did a dozen of readings and they all looked very similar with minor variations (1 to 5 on pictured values). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login I can't find if the S81 & S82 are left and right before cat, or before and after for one bank. Same for S83 & S84, So I don't know which sensor is the S84. I guess I shall try another app or computer reading. Anyway, while the engine was heating up, there were no codes at all, but eventually, a new code showed up : 1461 : Catalyst Bypass Flap Circuit is that the silencer flap for low rpm ? I can't see any cats bypass on part catalog or workshop manual. What are those ? Image Unavailable, Please Login Which part are you calling "cat ecu" ? The #20 on that drawing ? https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/diagram/ferrari/360-f1-spider/019-exhaust-system
yes, #20 is the cat ecu, as this forum usually calls it. wow, I've never heard of a catalyst "bypass" from factory. I am more familiar with euro version cars, maybe its a thing of the US 2nd air injection. I don't know You can do one thing for real simple. Swap the LH and RH cat ecu and see if the code changes. If it does, then u see what i mean
on a 2nd thought, the loose connector isn't in a position of what mine is. So it could be something really loose. Maybe related to your cel. The loose connector I have, is way on the right of the engine, which the wire in your picture can't reach, if it can , it must be at least 3 feet long. so i think you should probably search for the connection. It usually is symmetrical, take a look at the other side and see if there's an identical connector connected somewhere So your car is a euro version or US version?
Good idea. I'll do that search, even though I did it once. I'll also swap the ecus and see what happens, thats quick (I hope ! lol)
on a 3rd thought, here's a 355 cat bypass article: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ecu-codes.115587/ some info for you: the loose connector looks like a connector for a solenoid. Usually by pass valves/solenoids are controlled by vacuum. hope these helps. I am not familiar with convertibles either..... heck , i am not an expert of anything.
I don't know if you're an expert or not, but you certainly help, showing me some leads. THANKS A LOT ! I'll keep this topic posted.
I looked everywhere I could, but couldn't find any part with 2 pin connector within the wire range, except maybe behind the steering reservoir (it's a spider) and oil filter, but without and endoscope I can't really see what's down there. I'll double check during the oil change I have to perform very soon. Anyway I swapped the cat ECUs but couldn't go for a test drive since a storm came rigth when I was about to leave the garage. Stay Tuned.
Today's update : I forgot to mention that after using the car on previous tests, and erasing the 1445 and 1446 error codes when they happened, I got a #0304 two times, it's : "misfire on cylinder #4". So, on top of the Cat ECUs swap, yesterday I also swapped the #3 & #4 Coils, to confirm that the #4 might have some fails sometimes. And this morning tests were totally blank from errors !! It was quite chilly though, so the exhaust hadn't had time to heat up during my tests on the 5 miles road between home and grocery shop (the only road I am supposed to drive during these lockdown days). I'll go driving through center town tomorrow and have it warm up a little more... Stay tuned.
Some more questions though : - the two wires to the unknown connector are (Green/Blue & Purple) But I can't identify the connector on the Workshop Manual wiring diagrams, as I suspect the color initials are in italian. Anybody has the Wiring Color initials Table ? - I couldn't find the info about which O2 sensors my ODB2 app is refering to (see pictures on 1st post) Which of S-81 to S-84 are before cat or after cat, and left or right bank ?
Hi Manu, great work here. I am also having similar issues with loss of power, cel and random momentary flash of the slow down light on my 2005 360 F1 with 12,500 miles. I was looking at also changing the sparks and coils and saw that you changed yours in your photos. I have no idea how you can access them, its so difficult to reach and the aluminium frame is right above the coils. Have you now bought new CAT ECUs? You said you swapped them over which would mean you still have a faulty one? Thanks.
Random suggestion, but could the loose plug be for an exhaust valve? Might have been disconnected by previous owner to keep the exhausts in loud mode. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
To replace the spark plugs, you need to unfit the coils, as they are on top of spark plugs. Access of sparks is a pain, because you shall need long and thin arms and hands, and gymastic to get there without damaging the body work, especially plugs for #1 and #5, but it's doable. You shall need a good plug 16mm tool. Coils are each fixed with two 6mm thread / 10mm hex head bolts, and they come off easy when the bolts are off. They each have a connector to the wiring, which is quite easy to unfit as well (when you get how to !). So swapping two coils to check on misfire errors is quite easy. For the cat ECU, it's quite easy as well, except that on Spiders they are hidden under the side aluminium panels that are a bit long to unfit and refit properly, without damaging anything. In my case, I swaped left and right ECUs to see if the errors I had on right bank might swap to left bank as well, which would help to confirm a specific ECU is sometimes faulty.
Thanks for the suggestion, but it could not, because the exhaust valve connectors are at the very rear of the car, under rear lights, where the vacuum valve is.
Thanks Manu, did you have a bad cat ecu when you swapped them over. Did you buy a new one? Many thanks.
I suggest you buy an universal ELM327 Wifi ODB2 interface (around 20$) and a smartphone app such as EODB. You could then get proper error codes when "Slow Down" flashes; It helps a lot to understand where to find the erroro origin, even though we have the demonstration that some part failure could generate several different error codes, depending on situation. The most positive aspect is that you can erase the codes and wait for them to get back or not, confirming the nature of the situation.
I wouldn't know if one was bad. I juste assumed the right one might be faulty, inducing some errors on cat analysis and swapped to see if the problems would change side or not. I am now pretty sure that the faulty parts are the O2 sensors, because the readings doesn't make sens to me : I should have two similar values for Sensors before the catalyst and two other values for the sensors after the catalyst. Problem is, I don't know which is which on the readings and I'm not ready to change the 4 of them, even if reason should lead me to.
Thanks again Manu, I have also been looking at the usual suspects such as the coils, spark plugs, cat ecu's, thermocouples and the four O2 sensors. They all affect each other for the perfect running of our cars. The original Ferrari cat ecu's are very expensive and I have seen an aftermarket version from Technistrada but I don't know anyone who has experience with it. I will look into the obd2 readers as you suggested. Many thanks again. Peter
My car is 73000km, so it makes sense that several parts shall need replacement, which I would usually do without thinking twice about it, but the sum of all these parts, including ECUs, is more than 2k, so if I could delay some of that, I'd be happy to ! I assume that is the part you were refering to ? https://technistrada.com/355-360-456-550-575-f50-enzo/4-355-360-456-550-575-catalytic-temperature-control-station.html Indeed cheaper than OEM, but it's in the US. (I'll need to add shipping and VAT)
Just took a look at mine. That plug looks like this one Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ok, thank you very much. It looks like a vacuum valve, but I don't have such a valve on my car. Could you follow the vacuum lines now, to see which part they are involved with ? One is likely coming from the intake, but thats the other one that is meaningfull.