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Cavallino Classic Modena - never again!

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  1. rumen1

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    I have been to the last 5 editions on Cavallino Classic Middle East as a normal visitor and seeing what cars are the judges considering as perfect and original I thought, that my 512TR can definitely get a Platinum award if judged on this type of event.

    So this year I decided to apply and enter my car in the Cavallino Classic Modena, that will be held in the middle of May this year. I have filled the form in their website on the beginning of January and started to wait for their reply. A month later I still haven’t got a reply from them so decided to email them. They replied, that they are still “considering” and I will have an answer at the end of February.

    Since I live in Bulgaria and I will need to organize the transportation of the car from Bulgaria to Italy, I needed at least an answer from them if my car is “qualified” or not to start making any plans. And since they haven’t replied again at the end of February, as they promised, I emailed them again at the beginning of March. This time they finally notified me, that my car is accepted and can be a part of the Cavallino Classic Modena 2025.

    Great, so I made a plan, that I will transport the car with a truck there, so it can be perfectly clean and after the event I planned a trip across Italy, France and Germany for the following 3 weeks.

    So the next day after they sent me the confirmation a person from their customer service called me and asked me how would I like to proceed with my payment. I asked – “what payment”? And he explained, that I will need to buy a “VIP experience package” for 6400 Euro. And since I was going to go with my wife, that makes a little under 13 000 Euro for the “privilege” to participate on the event.

    Before filling the form in their website for entering my car, I of course have read all the information about the event there. It says, that there is no registration fee whatsoever and I only need to buy a ticket for the show. That’s it. A VIP package is available only if one wants it. In fact, it is not only for people, that display their cars, a VIP package can be bought by anyone.

    So I asked this gentleman if buying a VIP package is mandatory for me to enter the event with my car. He replied, that probably it is not mandatory, but it is highly “advisable” to buy it. He explained, that it will include a great hotel, a dinner with a menu from Massimo Bottura and wine pairing. And since I don’t care about any of that and I am always staying in Maranello when I am in this area anyway, I told him, that I am simply not interested about getting a VIP package for me and my wife and spending 13 000 Euro and I asked him again: “Can I enter my car if I don’t buy a VIP package or not”? And he replied: “I will need to ask”.

    So 2 days go by, nothing happens and I decided to send an email again, so I can get an answer of my question and I can know if I will go to the event or not and I got the following reply:

    “Thank you for your email and for your time over the phone yesterday, it was a pleasure talking to you. Please note that the packages including hospitality are designed to offer an unforgettable time at Cavallino Classic Modena 2025, bringing together passionate collectors like yourself in the exclusive setting of Casa Maria Luigia. More than just accommodation, staying at Casa Maria Luigia ensures a seamless, all-encompassing immersion into the event’s unique atmosphere, allowing you to enjoy premium access, exquisite dining, and special moments that truly elevate the event beyond just the concours itself.
    While the purchase of the complete Hospitality Package is not strictly mandatory for your car to be part of the concours, we highly recommend it to fully enjoy the experience at Cavallino Classic Modena 2025.

    Most of our participants opt for this package because it ensures seamless access to all the key moments, top-tier service, and a real immersion in the spirit of the event. As a token of our appreciation for bringing your car to the event, we would be delighted to extend an exclusive 10% discount on the package.

    Should you require any further information or assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
    We remain at your complete disposal and look forward to welcoming you for an unforgettable experience.


    Then I have sent another email to them, stating that I appreciate their offer, but I am not interested and I asked them to simply reply if I can enter my car without the need to buy anything else, but a normal visitor ticket. And then they replied with this:

    We truly appreciate your enthusiasm and are certain that your car would be a valuable addition to this year’s concours.

    We completely understand your travel plans and your preference to arrange your own accommodation. While the packages including hospitality are designed to offer an unforgettable time at Cavallino Classic Modena 2025, we would be happy to make an exception and offer you the Event-Only Package at €4,500 per person, which includes:

    - Two dinners and one lunch with the three Michelin stars Chef Massimo Bottura with wine pairing;

    - Access to the Concours on Saturday;
    - Access to the Saturday Parade;
    - Access to the Sunday Tour through the Emilians hills above Maranello, culminating with a private lunch at Casa Canossa by the Michelin-starred Chef Andrea Incerti Vezzani (this tour would be a perfect addition to the wonderful trip that you are planning!);

    - All the activities and many special moments created only for you.

    This way, you can fully enjoy the experience while having the flexibility to stay at your preferred hotel. Please let us know if you would like to proceed with this arrangement, and we will be happy to assist you with the booking process.


    Then obviously I got a little frustrated and sent another email, by exactly asking: “Can I come without buying a VIP package? Yes or no?”. And the next day that guy called me again and started to explain to me how much of a wonderful experience it will be if I go to everything, that the VIP package includes. So I asked him (guess what): “Is buying a VIP package mandatory for me to enter my car or not?”. On which he replied: “Well no, it is not mandatory”. Then I asked him: “Can I come with my wife and enter my car without buying any kind of special package then?”. On which he replied: “Well no, you can not”.

    And that was the end of our pointless conversation.

    So what can I say… I was excided to to enter my car to Cavallino, I have never been to any "non official" Ferrari event and I also have never entered my car to any kind of judging event and I thought it will be interesting.

    But I never thought, that I will get this kind of behavior, which is almost like a blackmail. So I will spend money for preparing the car and for transporting it 1500 kilometers to enter it for free there, so they can sell tickets to people to come and see it and on top of that I will need to pay 13 000 Euro to “thank” them for that “opportunity”. What an absurd nonsense.

    So yeah, that’s my experience with Cavallino Classic Modena, which if I can rate with a rating from 1 to 10 stars, I will definitely put ZERO.
     
  2. amenasce

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    But how could you say no to 13k Euros for a seamless all-encompassing experience that you can get anywhere else for 2k?

    They are slowly destroying that brand. Between the sale pressure that makes a Manhattan electronic store jealous and the complete mess i saw at Cavallino in Palm Beach...
     
  3. HotShoe

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    Did they also try to sell you an extended warranty? :D

    Sorry for your experience. That sounds just like a slimy, used car dealer upsell. The whole “vip” thing is utter ******** IMHO. I’m surprised people fall for it.
     
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  4. rob lay

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    although they are the same parent company as us, if it is exactly as you explain, that is slimy ********.
     
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  5. dyerhaus

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    I have a friend who attends Cavallino in Palm Beach almost every year, he was an entrant last year. While he's the type who almost always buys the best package, it certainly wasn't a requirement. He's tried to get me to go attend, the selling point being that entering the car is free and I could just buy a general admission ticket (which he has done in the past). It's never been a requirement to buy anything more than a general admission ticket if you're showing a car. This treatment you received just adds to the list of many reasons I'll never attend the event anyway.
     
  6. dyerhaus

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    And there it is, on their website: https://cavallino.com/pages/faq

    You can present one or more cars for judging or for display on Saturday and/or Sunday and there’s no registration fee. We only ask you to pay for the show, which hopefully you will enjoy, and help us cover the associated costs. Any type of ticket is suitable to be with your car and present it to the judges.

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  7. Nembo1777

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    Mr Tortellini and his cohorts are killing Cavallino.
     
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  8. rob lay

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    I'm also trying to keep in mind the perspective of the organizer, I have organized several events, although not to this level or commercial.

    It does say in the application "This application is subject to approval by the Concours Committee. Our Team will present your request to the Judges' Committee during the next meeting."

    If I'm running an event and I have 50 spots only, then I want the best 50 cars AND the entrants I will make the most money on. If the event is going to be close to the 50 or under, then I would love some TR's of entrants not spending more money just to complete the field. If there is a GTE or Daytona wanting to get in and they are buying the complete package, then I would prefer them.

    It isn't a perfect formula, but you are looking for the best cars for how many spots you have available and also who will be participating in the other stuff too.
     
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  9. HotShoe

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    It’s this exact attitude and nickel and diming people to death that resulted in them having to reach out to local collectors last minute this past year to get cars for the Classic.

    I personally know two major collectors and long time patrons who are done with the event due to their arrogance and shake down tactics.
     
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  10. dm_n_stuff

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    Well it appears that TR's are welcomed. From their website:

    It appears that they judge 30 cars. Perhaps more than that are welcome including "display only" cars.

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  11. rumen1

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    #11 rumen1, Mar 8, 2025
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    It is absolutely as I explain, I have no reason to do otherwise whatsoever.

    It is their event, they can do whatever they want. But they should clearly point out the conditions in their website. And if I asked them the first time, they should have provided a clear answer, instead of trying to make a fool out of me. If this was the case, I would have simply opted to not apply in the first place and there would have not be any problems. Yes, it would still be absurd to ask that sum of money for what they offer, but at least it would have been clear enough. And if you want to go - you pay, if not - you don't apply.

    But to tell me that it is not mandatory several times (including in the first email they have sent me and that I have already quoted) and then tell me, that I can not enter if I don't buy a VIP package is just stupidly absurd. Exactly like a cheap blackmail - I ask them a simple question and they don't answer directly, but instead they repeatedly try to convince me how wonderful experience it will be if I buy the VIP package.

    And to answer your second post - yes, they can opt not to accept my car and that is absolutely fine - their event - their choice. However, they HAVE accepted it, but obviously they have not accepted me for other reasons :D
     
  12. rumen1

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    Exactly, this is what I saw even before applying. :)
     
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  13. rumen1

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    Yes, for sure, as I said - they have accepted my car for the event. And I dare to say, that its condition is absolutely suitable for this type of event, so that's why I applied.
     
  14. Rifledriver

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    That is the Canossa I know.
     
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    Sorry to point out the obvious, but like this forum, for example, last time I checked, Cavallino the publication or the events they organize under the current or previous ownership, are commercial enterprises aimed first and foremost to make money for their owners (How else would they survive & thrive ?).

    Besides, these event organizers/owners wouldn’t charge or expect $13K for participation if there wasn’t a market willing to pay that price and as far as I've heard/read, they’re not forcing anyone to participate.

    What’s next ? People here start complaining Ferrari charging too much money for their cars ?

    OTOH, like almost every event during Monterey Car Week nowadays, including PB, etc, these are lifestyle, i.e. “see-&-to-be-seen” festivals, aimed mostly at people who want to feel they’re “the in-crowd” and are happily willing to pay for that “privileged” sensation, regardless of the price tag.

    YMMV.
     
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    I think you are missing the point. People aren’t upset that they are charging. They are upset at the games they play and their shake down methods.

    For example, when they first took over they pissed off a lot of regulars because they changed the car entry package to not include a ticket for your spouse. Want to bring your wife? Oh, that’s extra. Or in the OP’s case, don’t have one thing on the website and then try to squeeze him for more. If you need it that bad just mandate that every entry buy a vip package. Simple.

    Purely from an optics standpoint they should have just added it into the cost with a bump and no one would have gotten upset. When you up charge people at very turn it doesn’t look good.

    Or how about calling a collector and asking him to bring four cars as a favor because the field is light. Mind you this is all done at the expense/liability/time of the owner. Then the owner asks for tickets and they want to charge him?!?! Needless to say he told them to pound sand.
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    I guess you missed the entire point. Did you read his post?
     
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    Short answer? No.
     
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  19. rumen1

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    Didn't seem like he did at all :)
     
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    This. It’s wildly obnoxious that some organizers and even manufacturers take advantage of collectors willing to share in this way. They see nothing wrong ringing up a short list of guys who are happy to share cars, asking them to do so last minute, expecting them to foot the shipping bill both ways, and then nickel and diming these same owners for passes to events their cars are to be displayed. The attitude that comes with it all is the icing on the ****ing cake, as is the feigned surprise when participation drops year by year.
     
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    You're not feeling the love, huh?
     
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    Pebble Beach charges fees to enter their concours and when they need a few more cars they call local collectors and offer free entrance.
     
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    If i was that collector, i would have blasted the whole thing on Fchat and other places. It's absolutely obnoxious and so so cheap.
     
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    Just generally, Pebble Beach is a whole different level.
    Cannot be compared with Cavallino. They are miles away.

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  25. Rifledriver

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    Just last year I told the story of a well known family loaning a couple of early Ferraris for the big Ferrari event in Monterey. They asked for a couple of tickets to the event (were willing to pay) and were turned down being told it was sold out. Their cars were on display at their expense and they were not allowed to attend.
     
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