CCM Brake Replacement Options for F458

Hi,

Greeting from RacingBrake, we have just posted a thread here for F430 and like to know if you are interested in making the same available for F458 if they are any different - At least we know the spindle and calipers are not the same.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/479549-carbon-ceramic-brakes-f430-f360.html

Thanks

 

OK we got the OE CCM rotor, the diameter is indeed measured as 398mm:

However we mount the rotor and caliper up to the upright, and can also confirm the actual surface contact with brake pad is only 394mm, so there is a (398-394)/2=2mm brake pad set back from the rotor edge.

This is the same CCM rotor as F430 Scud, and how RB rotor and caliper kits are designed.

It also confirms that Corvette ZR1 CCM disc 9394x36) can be used for F430/F458 as a low cost replacement.
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Don't exactly know what an OE rotor would cost, nor sure if you can just purchase axle set (front or rear set) from dealer or must purchase the complete car set, but I would estimate your can save around $2K per rotor.

 

Not the same, ZR1 is 4mm smaller (394 vs. OE 398mm) in diameter, but fits better when everything (caliper/pad/spindle) mounts up.

Our extensive research leads us to this knowledge. We also have the know how to design CCM replacement rotors using Surface Transforms CCM-X discs in addition to ZR1 discs.

Instead of replacing OE CCM rotors from dealer and paying the price they want, we have 3 options for your consideration all at fraction of OE cost.

1. Iron Rotor replacement - Using the same OE pads, not a reduced size pad.
2. RB/ZR1 replacement - Using ZR1 discs (equal or better than OE, depending on the year of your F458)
3. RB/ST replacement - Using ST discs (more durable and better than OE)

They can be purchased either just the rotors, or the complete kit with RB calipers.

We also have excellent brake pads (street & track) for iron rotors (in stock). Pad for CCM rotors has 8-12 weeks leadtime.

Our brakes (Iron/CCM) were extensively tested on tracks in Nissan GT-R and Corvette ZR1 community with proven result, and we look forward to serving Ferrari community for your braking need.

Thank you

Warren-RB

 

F458 iron replacement rotors are made to the same size as we offer for Porsche 991 GT3 pccb stock replacement:

Front: 410x34 (F458 stock = 398x36)
Rear: 390x30 (F458 sock = 360x32)

This iron rotor kit is fully compatible with OE calipers and pads; except the front pad needs to trim from OE's oversized pad (similar to Corvette ZR1 pad).

Rotor kit includes RB street pads (ET500), other compounds are also available to fit Iron BBK.
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Front BBK Rotor (410x34)

Rear BBK Rotor (390x30)
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As far as we know all late models use the same spindle. so what we have offered for 458 s/b good for the rest.

 

The complete CCM front replacement can ship in 6-8 weeks upon order.

RB/ZR1 CCM rotors cost less than 1/2 of what Ferrari dealer would charge, and these ZR1 discs are stronger and more durable than OE because they are made to the latest formulation by Brembo.

RB/ZR1 CCM Rotors for Ferrari 458 Italia / Spider and F149 California (Front)

 

I followed your link and found this description:

The Girodisc system is a direct replacement for the OE disc however a different brake pad with an annulus (pad swept area) of 66mm or less must be used. This is done to keep the rotor weight at a reasonable level. If we manufactured a rotor with the same annulus as the OEM CCM rotors they would be far too heavy.

Can you please tell us more details about this direct replacement rotor while using a different pad idea.

Thanks

 

Learn our latest sintered brake pad development and review for CCM rotors (track application) in GT-R forum:

In Quest of Ultimate Brake Pad for GT-R..With CCM Rotors - Handling and Suspension - Nissan GT-R Heritage

 

Both Ferrari (458/430 Scud) and ZR1/Z28 calipers use the same brake pad (FMSI# D1395) for CCM rotors.

Our pad development is focused on track compound and tested in comparison with Pagid RS29 and Endless W007 by ZR1 and GT-R track racers.

GM ZR1 OE pads cost less than 40% of Pagid and Endless pricing, and are adequate for street driving.

 

We now have ZR1 pads (same as for F458) in stock. PM us for the good price.

If you track F458 our recently introduced sintered pad is your answer - they performed better and last longer than Endless and Pagid. Here is the latest review posted on GT-R forum by a ZR1 driver.
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In Quest of Ultimate Brake Pad for GT-R..With CCM Rotors - Page 5 - Handling and Suspension - Nissan GT-R Heritage

Hi Guys, just another quick update on the new Racing Brake sintered pads after running the 5 mile a few weeks ago. I had the opportunity to pull the pads and rotors to inspect them and I was quite impressed with the results after hammering on them for a full day of 5x 30 minute sessions on the 5 mile and about a half day on the 3 mile. Upon pulling the pads and inspecting them wear was even and consistent across all of the pads and the pad surface did not display any cracking or fracturing of the pad material indicating that the material was well within it's operating temperature range.

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And another view:

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There is a little bit of pad material covering the molding gaps but that is nothing to be concerned about as it's simply a thin layer of the lower melting point metals in the pad.

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Looking at the front rotors it was evident that the pads had laid down a good transfer layer on the rotor surface as can be seen here:

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This is important again because with the CCM rotor surface being near diamond hard the pads have to work through adhesive friction meaning that the pad will generate friction by rubbing against a layer of identical pad material applied to the rotor surface.

The rear rotors also displayed a good pad transfer layer as can be seen here:

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So in total I was extremely pleased with the transfer layer applied to the rotor surfaces! This also protects the rotor surface and indicates that the pads are going to be gentle on the rotors.

I measured pad wear after the events and I had 2mm of wear on the front pads. Considering that this includes a half day on the 3 mile and a full day running on the 5 mile track where you have something like 25 corners including 1 where I'm slowing from nearly 150mph and 3 where I'm slowing from roughly 130mph per lap, that indicates that pad life is going to be really good with these new pads from Racing Brake! As I mentioned in my previous review initial bite with these pads was the best that I have felt to date, modulation was awesome and maximum braking force was again the best that I have felt so all in all I think that we have a winner.

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ZR1 has the same exact CCM rotors (material/construction) as F458. These discs can be made for F458 as alternative lower cost CCM replacement.
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Disc (w/o the hat*) and pad comparability between ZR1 and F458 are fully certified by us, through our extensive R&D, OE sample measurement and fitment test on OE caliper and upright as presented in previous postings.

We are glad that we are able to provide this positive interchangeability to Ferrari community for your choice.

*ZR1 CCM rotor hats are not compatible. F458 hats are designed and made by RB, in other words you will have to purchase the complete rotor assembly, afterwards if you need disc replacement you can just purchase from GM direct for the rings.

 

Here are the images in 3D dwg.
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