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  1. 550nitis

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    Any one add a ceramic coat to there 360 yet? Wondering how the paint would take it.
    My clear coat isn't in the best condition so wondering if this might help?
     
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  3. J360M

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    Yep - machine polish and then 2x coats of Gtechniq Crystal Serum and 2x coats of EXO... the difference is unbelievable.

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    Ceramic bond with 360 top coat is great!


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  4. Graz

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    Yes and it takes it very well :)


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  5. Bob in Texas

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    Polishing the paint first is the key to great results. Putting ceramic over swirl marks will just make the marks permanent.
    Lots of information in the Showroom and Detailing f chat sub forum.


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  6. clean512

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    Definitely need to paint correct. Great info on obsessed garage. I have been doing paint correction for many years. And it's a art and truly a fun process when you get the the time to do it right.
     
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  8. 550nitis

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    Thanks guys. Paint is in good condition but not the best as clear coat in some areas is too thin so I can't do a major paint correction as it will take out the clear coat completely.
     
  9. 550nitis

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    That looks insane. You missing the 550 at all?
     
  10. Bob in Texas

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    Get a couple detailing professionals to take a look at it, then you can decide what is the appropriate course of action.


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  11. Graz

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    Yes, another one that has caused me some seller's remorse :)
     
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  13. ttforcefed

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    no reason to use ceramic on paint unless you leave the car outside in the elements year round....
     
  14. ferralc

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    I put opticoat pro in mine and it looked amazing when it was done (paint correction was performed too)
    But swirls appear after a couple of washes and I was very meticulous to not apply pressure, always power wash it first to remove impurities and used a brand new microfiber to dry it and sometimes used a blow air dryer. I don’t think ceramic coat is that good for protecting and in my mind its protection capabilities are overstated. I think old school waxing it every X months is still the way to go.


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  15. ttforcefed

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    I tried ceramic on paint on ff,430, and range rover. Never again.
     
  16. sardil

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    Couple of notes:

    - Get your paint correction specialist to take depth readings all over, multiple spots per panel. You really need to understand and document what you are working with.

    - Just because you are low on clear coat, doesn’t mean you can’t achieve a swirl free finish with ceramic coating on top. There are several specialty polishes in the market place that have filler materials that work with ceramic coatings. This way, you don’t have to be aggressive about removing swirls, fill them in, and apply coating on top.

    - Pick a coating that will give you superior chemical resistance vs just pretty beading.

    - When you have little clear coat left, it’s even more important to have an additional coating on the car to act as the sacrificial layer.
     
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  17. Brian Show

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    I did paint protection film on the hood, front bumper, front fender door cups and tail gate. Also had ceramic coating on the car. Overall very easy to clean, looks dynamite when freshly cleaned, but you still have to put the work in. Won’t be a simple rinse off every two weeks, but does make a maintenance wash easier. Pricey but I’m glad I did it, now I just do regular car care & detailing
     
  18. papou

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    Totally disagree , I had diner with my wife took two hours drove home put car in garage noticed bird droppings all over the back fender it had eaten into
    the clear coat had to take to shop for wet sanding and polishing, Have had them same issue since ceramic coating and it washed off easy.
     
  19. SVCalifornia

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    Yeah, strangely I had something off white on the roof of my spider but didn’t look like bird s**t. No idea what it was tho it looked like paint! Hadn’t noticed it when I exited the car but did the next time I got in.

    But I had recently ceramic renewed the costing and it came off easily.

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  20. ttforcefed

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    yeh and to get the ceramic off you need to wet sand the car...
     
  21. TheRealFlyingBear

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    I find it very easy to remove ceramic coating with Griots Fast Correcting Cream or any other compounding polish. Even with 2-3 layers of ceramic, it comes off with 1 pass. Don't need to wet sand!
     
  22. papou

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    I have no idea the easiest way to remove ceramic coating but why would you want to ?
     
  23. TheRealFlyingBear

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    Sometimes you need to remove it to fix scratches or rock chips.
     
  24. ttforcefed

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    if you care about protection you use PPF. if you care about ease of washing, you put ceramic on ppf.
     
  25. papou

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    So that would require wet sanding so where is harm of ceramic, I had mine worked on yesterday wet sand and polished by the #1 body shop in S Florida
    Luc Grondin who’s advice I took in the first place about ceramic I have the front end PPF half way up the hood and vulnerable parts of the rear,
    but the ceramic has saved me many times from bird and love bugs .
     
  26. ttforcefed

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    The first commandment of detailing is to always use the least abrasive materials and touch the paint as infrequently as possible.
     
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  27. TheRealFlyingBear

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    Let's say you ceramic coated the hood of your car, but later decided you wanted to install a clear film. You'd remove the ceramic by using a compound, wash the hood, clean it with surface prep or IPA, and then install the protective clear film. No wet sanding needed. Ceramic is really not hard to remove. For small spots you can remove it with compound and a microfiber towel. No need to be scared of it.
     
  28. ttforcefed

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    Compound is just as bad! I never have to compound my cars!!


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