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  1. vjd3

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    I think the point here is that it's the initial work done on the paint correction that is giving the perfect shine and reflection, and you can either protect that with carnauba wax, which is gentle on the paint but must be applied more regularly, or with these ceramic products, which are much harder, last longer, but apparently when they start to fail, you have to take some pretty labor intensive and abrasive measures to remove the failing product and get back to the original paint surface. As ttforcefed noted, any sort of heavy abrasive measures done on single-stage paint is removing the actual pigment layer, which you want to avoid; two-stage paint you are in the clear coat, not great either, but more tenable. Anyone who has applied even a gentle polish to red single-stage paint is aware how much pigment is coming off the car. With clear coat, you don't see it, but it's there.

    Certainly, for years and years before these ceramic coatings, carefully corrected paint retained that sort of mirror shine with proper washing techniques. And, if you love your car, it's enjoyable to gently spread a nice coat of wax on it by hand and see the results. Ceramic is perhaps more forgiving initially, as it's a harder surface, but apparently there is a price to pay down the road when it starts to break down. To me, it would be more viable on top of the clear film because the paint is safe underneath. I had that done on my former California 30.

    There's no right or wrong answer, and no need to throw insults or memes around, this ain't Reddit, after all. Shared experiences increase knowledge. Everyone's car looks great, and I'm sure the F40 is equally stunning, wax and all.
     
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  2. ttforcefed

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    Exactly Right, but somehow blasphemous!


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  3. Chizz

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    Well thank goodness you are here to tell them what they see in my pictures is an illusion
     
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    You are correct. And I certainly have no problems agreeing to disagree. Just look at my posts. However, this thread was originally really great and I was able to find a great new product from a another member (fireman). Then “Mr. Carnuba” turned it into something less enjoyable. I would rather folks have their opinion, show their evidence, smile and move on. No need for accusations and vitriol.
     
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    It was great cuz no one had a different but informed view? Interesting. Why participate in a forum?
     
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    My view is also informed. It was great because no one was arguing and people were enjoying seeing nicely cared for F-cars. I won’t respond to any more of your posts here. Enjoy your car as you’d like.
     
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    Fixed it.
     
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    The local company experienced with Ferraris gave me September as their next available date because in August nobody works here.

    In the meantime my Carpro Reload arrived. Would it be ok to apply the Carpro Reload without having ceramic coating? Just have the car washed, and then do it? Can I do it myself?
     
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    i tried giving you your fake news platform back in post 46 but for some reason you guys didn't take it.

    Ceramics shine better than carnuba. fake news.
    Ceramics are more durable than carnuba. fact.
    Ceramics last 5 yrs plus. Fake news.
    Ceramics make a car easier to wash. fact.
    Ceramics on single stage paint is safe. fake news.
    Ceramics require violent polishing to remove once they've deteriorated fact.
    Ceramics make sense for daily drivers that see the elements. fact.
    Ceramic over ppf is more prudent than directly on paint. fact
    Ceramics can be applied by novices. fake news.
    The correction part of the detail is more important than the ceramic - fact.
    Most concours winners use ceramics - fake news.
     
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    ok. cool.
     
  13. Chizz

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    Hi Bro! Sorry to respond to you so late but there has been so much distraction on this thread recently. My opinion is to wait to use the Reload until after the ceramic treatment. It is a coating booster. You can absolutely apply it yourself. Just follow the instructions on the bottle.
    In the meantime of waiting I would just keep it clean because you will be getting a paint correction done by the Detailer anyway.
    I hope fireman chimes in here as well since he has been using the product longer than I have. But you will love the results.
    Good luck!! Post pics! Can’t wait to see it.
     
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    Don't do anything until after the coating is done and cured. Depending on humidity and weather in your area don't get the car wet for two weeks after coating. They will wash, clay, acid wash, and correct your paint before applying the ceramic. You don't want ANYTHING on the paint before coating. You'll just be wasting the reload product and your most precious commodity, time.

    As for the detailer, it is imperative you ask around and make sure they are the best. You need to find the installer who knows paint correction inside and out, it's the most important step. Two weeks after coating you can apply the Carpro Reload and step back in amazement as it smacks anything Carnauba can offer into the ground where it belongs.
     
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    She looks great! Do yourself a favor and buy a bottle of Carpro Reload on amazon (link on previous pages somewhere) and apply it after your next wash. Please post pics after :)
     
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  18. Chizz

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    ^^^^ awesome reply right on the money^^^^
     
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    Is the ceramic on top or beneath the ppf?


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    LMAO
     
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    Don't get cocky. :cool:

     
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  24. Chizz

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    Well then... who am I to argue with a infomercial!!! 52 car washes and it still beads up!! Straight out of a junkyard! Lol!!! Sign me up
     
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