CeramicPro Treatment for new FF

Allen... I'd PM Mario (user MDEL) as he has had something similar done to his Cali (and it's Nero) IIRC. For what it's worth, my Porsche is Guards Red and it hides minor dirt and dust quite well. Leaves more time fit driving than cleaning. 😀
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Got Ceramic Pro treatment on my new F12 earlier this year. So far, very good - looks gorgeous and makes washing it very easy. although not able to give you any useful info on claims etc


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I got modesta on my FF about a year ago - no noticeable difference than before - not worth the money in my opinion and also not worth the unanticipated consequences of impact on paint 10, 20 yrs out. Product matters very little and the person applying is very important.

especially on garage queens, I don't see the point of the ceramic. To me its a great way to get people to overpay for something that isn't real.

 

I just had cquartz and paint correction done. It definitely made a big difference. It corrected all the swirls from the factory. Paint quality from the factory is known to be poor. You can search this forum regarding this issue. It's not cheap but definitely worth it to me.

 

I've had C/P applied on 5 of my cars including a F12 and a 58 300SL Roadster....all, especially the darker colors came out looking great... I suspect the quality of the application (the fellow who does the work) counts for a lot... I've heard of up to ten applications of C/P being applied.. my fellow feels that 3 - 5 is all that's needed... I even had the wheels coated... I've been to the shop numerous times and have seen some really amazing finishes depart... other products could be just as good but I very pleased with the ceramic pro product ....

 

the ceramic has nothing to do with the swirls being removed - any good detailer can get swirls out with clay and a good cleaner/compound

 

I can't speak for ceramic pro, but I have used optic oat and g tech evo( first version). The stuff works better than wax and after rain the car tends to look good longer from greater than 8-10 ft away. I find I go much longer between washes. The g tech has better clarity and reflectivity than the opti. I did my gf Mercedes about 4 yrs ago and just redid it this yr. as stated the prep is the key prior to doing the product. I bought the machine/pads/polish and did my own( first try was my gf Mercedes). Very easy to do and looked great.the application of opti or g tech was very easy as well. There are plenty of videos and reviews at auto geek. It is not hard to do and you really have to work hard to screw it up especially if you use lighter polishes. I kmow these are 300+k cars and the detail is 2k but I find it relaxing washing and doing my own high end cars.

 

odd I did modesta on my escalade as well and I didn't see any material difference

 

I think it makes a noticeable difference but there are qualifications.

Its not a panacea. A lot depends on how you will use the car.

If you will daily drive it, at least here in the Northeast, you can expect it to last you one winter. So its really not worth it.

If you are in a place where its more just water and road grime, like Florida, I could see it lasting maybe 18 months.

If you will use the car like many, a nice weather toy, then you will have something that will make the color pop and make it much easier to wash and keep clean. Just be sure to use the proper speed shine/ or whatever they give you to maintain it.

This is based on Modesta on several cars. Was so impressed I tried it on my wife's daily- Range Rover. It just can't hold up well to the salt, winter grime and then car washes. But on my other fun cars, its been on for years with no ill affects. And anyone who sees the cars can't help but to comment about the pop of the color.

Where it really helps is water and lighter dirt won't stick to the finish nearly as easily and that makes washing them off easier. Also it means if you use an automotive air blower to dry off the car (I would recommend this) then the water flows off the car so much more easily.

As to the look, as with all things, this is personal preference. This all comes down to how these products transmit light. These are like the opposite of Carnauba wax which gives most paint finishes a slightly warmer look. These ceramic coatings, at least the ones I've seen so far, give the color more pop. I prefer more pop. I like polarized sunglasses and I often like using a polarizer on my camera. Some might prefer a warmer look. So thats something to keep in mind.

I have to say I don't put much stock in the argument about how something might affect paint 10-20 years out. The truth is, no one really knows for sure with any product. What if you wrap a car and leave it for 10+ years. Does anyone know what that will do? What about other products? They might have been around for a long time, but what if you let it sit for 10+ years. I think there can be risk in anything so the best thing is to keep your wits about you and keep observing things.

 

You're welcome. I have no experience with the product you're using so I just don't know. I generally will just listen to the advice from the installer. Yes, its a chance for them to charge you more. But good detailers are like artists and they should know their patrons won't return if they feel cheated.

 

I'm with you, I enjoy doing it myself. I finished mine with 22ple VX3 Signature. The product itself only took me about 30 minutes to apply to the whole car (612), but the prep work took about 12 hours over 2 days.

 

yes I know exactly how zymol behaves and impacts paint over 20 years!

the rest of the post was sound of reason as usual

lol see u soon pal

 

in the internet there are a lot of real tests available with the latest generation ceramic coatings like Gyeon Mohs/Prime. If prepared and applied professionally, these coatings can last for 18 month in daily drivers even when using car wash stations on a regular basis. this is really awesome.

A wax could never do that. At least after 3 times through a car wash station the wax is gone.

For a new car I think one should not spend more than 400 bucks for the material and maybe 10 hours for preparation, so around 1k.

To fully detail a used car inside and outside and apply a high end coating it usually takes 20-40h of work plus material.

 

18 months sounds reasonable - 5 yrs is just ridiculous

 

Yes indeed! But, its really not the same application of Zymol from 20 years ago right? This stuff won't last that long either. So if you saw something off with your Zymol, you'd change it. Same here. That's all. I think as long as you keep your eyes on the cars you'll be fine. And if you can't keep your eyes on your cars, I will be happy to come over and look

 

ok so I'm having one of my cars half detailed with a traditional carnuba and the other half done with a ceramic. will inspect and maintain every 90 days and compare/contrast.

 

This will be a definitive real world report- looking forward to it!

 

why wld you do the ceramic over the clear bra - the ceramic is supposed to adhere to the paint, not to the film. are you sure this is what they did and you wanted them to do? my understanding was once a car had film you just need to use a sealant on top of it, not the ceramic.

 

I don't know man I was confused as well but the more I dug the more I realized I wasn't crazy. I don't think most of the dealers and even some detailers understand what's going on. or they just aren't being honest. I started another thread asking about this. you might want to call esoteric or one of the other bigtime detailers and bounce it off of them. from my understanding the ceramics adhere to the paint. once you have a film all you need to do is apply a sealant which is different than applying a ceramic coating