Challenge Stradale -vs- GT3 RS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qF3TdCVkU0

clarkson couldn't split them , i call BS.

i couldn't get my CS anywhere near the lap times of my standard GT3 , let alone a RS .

 

nah mate , just ripped the cats out altogether , now that's fu<king loud ! way off the charts and highly illegal

 

That Top Gear video compared the CS and the 996 GT3RS. Was jorgewolf asking about the CS versus the 997 GT3RS? Of course, if the CS was equivalently matched or slower than the 996, then it would be a bit further behind the 997.

 

I have the CS - 2004 edition - and use it mainly for the weekend track events - And i have driven the gt3´s in diffrent variant - it seems to me that the porsche is an easier drive - but if you manage to balance the CS - I think it will have the edge...


By the way - what a fantastisk forum. The CS Is my first ferrari - and i have driven it for 2 month now

And its my first post aswell...

 

I've driven both and they are, in real world driving very similar. On the track at 10/10's the RS is a bit faster and tighter imo. This is to be expected when you look at the incredible rate of automotive tech. advance that has happened since 04.
Similarly, the 430 scud will also be faster and tighter but unless you are on a track its a very small margin and will require a pretty good driver to extract it.

 

I've owned both.

Porsche 997 GT3 RS- very planted that provides incredible amount of confidence to push hard. Bit slow on low end. Great control under hard braking. Was very bored with it. Sold it right away.

CS- very alive, great reflex, amazing sounds, love the F1 transmission. CS is an adventure to experience.


I chose an older CS over a new RS.
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I can't talk about the RS but I owned a GT3 (996) and the CS- There was no comparison as to experience. I don't track my cars so all my experience is road feel and the CS was much more exciting than the Porsche. The GT3 was a wonderful car but in a totally different league from the CS in the visceral feedback department. Just my .02.

 

logically the gt3 and the RS are "better and faster", but the strad is fast enough, much more beautiful and alluring in a timeless way. 3's are like appliances, and the interior of my prius surpasses the "full leather" i had to pay for as an option in my 3. they also have some quality problems.

for track time, it's better to get an exige s anyway.

 

I cant fit into the exige s! Have you tried?!

 

I own an '04 CS and an '07 GT3 (amongst other things). I like the GT3 very much, its a great road car, I'm not planning on tracking it since I have a dedicated track car.

Pros on the P-car,
it has a stick shift which isn't available on a CS.
its a great driving car, nicely damped, handles well, pretty fast.
I got the "premium sound" option which is actually very acceptable (versus the completely rubbish CS radio which I happily don't have).
It also has satnav etc, its a very useable day to day car (or appliance!).

Cons on the P-car
its not fast at low RPM, its IMO a bit over-geared, for example it won't really happily pull 4th till 45mph plus. Obviously will modern engine management it will pull the gear, just is very unresponsive to the gas pedal. This does lead to a drive around in a low gear approach which I happen to enjoy, but I could see how some might find it annoying.
if you don't like the 911/rear engine thing, then you wont like the way it bobbles when accelerating hard through a bumpy corner.
I have a choice of dealer, I'm not prohibited in buying a new car from any dealer.

Both are low and bang their noses on the ground all the time, although on the p-car all you have to do is replace the splitter piece.

Both are special cars, but having graduated to a full track car, I see both as very compromised for use on the track. My opinion on both is about their use a road car, and I happen to think that both fulfill that need very well for me. Both are at the extreme end of acceptability for road use, but that for me makes them fun.

I don't actually see them as alternates given the price disparity between them. However if you were looking at a 00/01 stock 360 versus a GT3-RS (at MSRP), then I'd say that's a more interesting choice. However if you can afford even a stock 430 (not even the as yet unreleased Scuderia), then obviously again that's not a comparable choice.

I would have bought an RS if I could have got an allocation, but not being a long standing p-car customer wasn't able to. I wasn't up for paying a premium. I'll buy one when they go below MSRP when the next latest car comes along.

I should however be in a position to get a 430S, and I plan on keeping the CS as well for the moment.

 

yes, a little tight but fine on track. certainly not for other use...

 

Agreed! I have both (actually 2 996 GT-3 RS clones - full RS spec and beyond) and a CS. Don't track the CS but on rare ocassions. To me, the biggest difference in performace of the cars is tire selection - there are simply more and better tire choices available for the RS's and GT-3s. Corsas are great tires (for one or two heat cycles), but aren't much of a match compared to MPSCs or Hoosiers or .......

430 Scuderia should knock the doors off a 996 GT-3RS, given its greater power and torque.
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Clarkson refers to Porsches as "Volkswagen beetles with a little mustard shoved up their ass."

I've never driven one, so I can't talk as for their differences... But purely going by Clarkson saying he can't tell the difference in speed, that leads me to believe the Porsche is faster. My $0.02.

 

Did you buy both cars at msrp?

 

There's a mean new GT2 on its way!

 

and that will be harder to track fast than any 996/997 GT3 or CS or 430 scud .

i'll respect the man who turns the traction control off in a 997 GT2 on the track and goes banzai fast .

 

Get me a GT2 and a helmet.

 

It definitely can be done - just need to be judicious on throttle at apex. I finally got comfortable with the power and torque (stock), and upped the output to 650 hp - it now pulls on CGTs! More difficult to drive consistent lap times than the GT-3 (at least for me), but certainly more fun and powerful than the GT-3.
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I have both also. but I think you got bored with the RS because you wanted to make some quick extra cash. IMO both cars are fun.

 

Honestly, I found the rs and newer porsches very boring. They are too good, like an appliance. The brand has lost its soul. Give me a 964 or earlier 911 anyday. The older cars require a certain amount of skill to drive well, anyone can drive the current line-up fast.

 

1) Clarkson if a Ferrari freak.
2) The "pundits" are not to be trusted. Caveat Emptor!

Look to those w/o a vested interet for *true* comparos.

Peace,

Richard.

 

One word: F1.

End of story.

Peace,

Richard.

 

Lonnie, Lonnie, Lonnie <shakes head> you *MUST* take your car to an HPDE! You must .... I command you! <lol>

<seriously> I agree w/u, when it comes to "road feel" NOTHING beats a Ferrari!

Peace,

Richard.