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Chassis Flex of F40

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Aircon, Nov 8, 2006.

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  1. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I was just wondering if any of you F40 owners agree with the comment made about the chassis flex of an F40 compared to a BB512 as claimed by a "consultant"

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136215518&postcount=34

    (personally, i think he's lost his mind)

    If any of you have any scientific proof or evidence of any kind, that would be good information for me to pass on, as i find his claim hard to believe, to say the least.
     
  2. Aircon

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    122 views and no one has any input? that's amazing!
     
  3. coachi

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    not sure what you are talking about. I klicked on the link and saw one post....have no idea what it is about
     
  4. Aircon

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    ok..i thought it was pretty obvious...

    a claim has been made that the chassis of an F40 has a lot of flex. More than a 512BB, in fact.

    does anyone know if that's true? i was certainly under the impression that they were quite a stiff chassis.
     
  5. f40carlo

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    I have both...doesn't make sense to me...I notice no significant flex from either...but I am not an 'expert' .

    Carlo
     
  6. SSNISTR

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    What a joke, the F40 is SUPER stiff.
     
  7. Aircon

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    i've owned both, and found a big difference in the way they act when jacked up and some "creaks" in the boxer going over driveways that didn't happen in the F40.

    I don't think there are any flex experts :)
     
  8. Admiral Thrawn

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    Formula 1 teams can measure the rigidity of a chassis after an accident to see whether it is worth repairing - so surely there is a way to accurately measure such a thing (flex).

    I always though the F40 would be very rigid due to the carbon fibre monocoque construction - but it is possible that due to aging it may have lost some of its strength. Considering Phil's first hand experience pulling them apart, I wouldn't totally right off his assessment - it is possible.
     
  9. Aircon

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    it's not possible that an f40 has more chassis flex than a boxer.

    a mate measured his boxer in what's a standardised way...don't ask me..."x" pounds over "y" distance is all i remember....and commented on how much worse it was than his 924 turbo!

    i sort of wish i'd measured my F40 now. but i DO remember that when jacking it up, i'd end up with 3 wheels off the ground!

    i'm amazed that, in all of fchat, no one knows for sure! i think this might be the first question i've ever seen unanswered on here.
     
  10. shill288

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    I would like to see what measurements were taken to determine a F40 as more chassis flex than a Boxer. I've owned the Boxer, 288 GTO, 512TR and F40 and I found the Boxer chassis to be the least stiff, with the GTO right behind it. I never would have considered the F40 to be a flexible chassis.

    Someone in the thread mentioned something about the F40 being stiff because of carbon fiber. Not the case. The chassis in an F40 is still steel.

    Steve
     
  11. Aircon

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    and i don't think the F40 is monocoque either, is it?

    i'd have to agree with your assessment too (not that i can comment on the 288 or TR)
     
  12. Admiral Thrawn

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    So how is the F40 build then? What parts are carbon fibre? Just the bodywork? :confused:
     
  13. ferrarifixer

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    I can tell you from first hand experience of working on several examples of these cars that a typical Boxer flexes no more, and perhaps less than a typical F40.

    This is observed from raising the cars on jacks/stands and carrying out major work ie engine removal etc etc.

    Also observed from a body work removed dyno run where the F40 flexed laughably under full power...

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing or anything at all really... just that it happens... after all, an F40 chassis isn't far removed from a 246 or 308... only WITHOUT the added strength the steel cars panels offer..

    An F40 has a minimal steel chassis, with just a dressing of panels... most of which are poor quality fibre glass, with a veneer of carbon for effect.

    Factors that affect how we notice flex are variable of course... And simply jacking an F40 compared to jacking a Boxer is not an equal comparison as the Boxer has more weight to lift... DESPITE that, A Boxer, specifically mine and many others I've experienced, twists no more noticably than an F40.

    Further more... a diagonally jacked F40 has a greater degree of panel shift (door gaps/misalignment) than a diagonally jacked up Boxer... in my extensive and varied experience...

    On the road, the wheel base, track, spring rates and reduced weight of an F40 means, of course, it is not very noticeable.

    I'd love to see a scientific test of torsional rigity performed... and many race teams can do this if they build their own cars... I know from a respected race car builder (Dencar in Melbourne.. build Holden V8 supercars) though, that this often permanently damages a car, so I doubt we'll ever get a test result.
     
  14. Aircon

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    well i'd say that's the whole point.
     

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