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360 "Check OK" light never shows up

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  1. Gabe O

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    Apr 1, 2020
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    So this is strange. I purchased my first 2000 360 coupe 7 months ago right after a manual conversion was done, and only a few months into ownership did I realize I should've been seeing the "Check OK" light upon the first turn of the ignition. Then it struck me - I've never gotten it. I've occasionally had a CEL for some codes, but the Check OK light has never appeared, with or without an active CEL. Note, the multifunction display does work.

    I don’t think this has anything to do with the conversion, because every other converted (and non-converted) 360 and 430 that I’m aware of all display the Check OK light (quite a few friends have these cars and no one has experienced this). Plus, the folks who did the conversion are uncertain as to why this is happening. My only hunch is that there's some sort of system fault that isn't triggering a CEL.

    I’ve already reached out to all shops and prior owners that I’m aware of that had this car before me, and no one knows anything about the lack of Check OK light. I just know I’ve never seen it display on my car.

    What are some possible causes? Who has seen this issue before? Where should I look next? Hoping some people who’ve seen this issue before can help guide me.

    Thanks.

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  2. 360trev

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    Looks like it IS related to the conversion, moreover whomever did your cluster screwed it up! Send it back to them to fix.
     
  3. Gabe O

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    Resurrecting this thread. Any 360 owners ever NOT see the "Check OK" light? Still perplexed why I don't get it, yet don't seem to have any other faults after 2+ years/4k+ miles of ownership. What kind of faults would cause this startup message to not appear? The only thing that I'm certain doesn't work is my alarm siren (surely a dead battery), so I wonder if that would cause this. Otherwise, I can't point to anything and say "that's not working properly."
     
  4. bonehead

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    My alarm siren is dead as well but I always get the 'Check OK' light. Is your car converted/have an aftermarket tune?
     
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  5. eric355

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    Nothing to do with your siren.

    Re-read Trev's post. Your cluster is probably in a wrong configutration. At key ON, it checks the dialog with all ECUs it is connected to. If one is missing (TCU ?) it will not display the "Check OK".
    Would be interesting to know how they have adapted the cluster to the manual configuration !! May be they have just put some tape on the gear display and on the F1 light so that you don't notice them.
    Any "bip" when you switch ON and OFF the car ?
     
  6. Qavion

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    For interest, @modificator (Cambio Manuale) have an option to display manual gear selection. This may be a recent development, though.
     
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  7. David993s

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    Probably not the solution, but how long do you wait after turning the key? I get the Check OK message but only after turning the key to the first position and waiting for a few seconds.
    But it does sound like something else related to the conversion.
     
  8. modificator

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    BTW, it's good to check the following if a lack of "OK Light" may be suspected to be related to the reconfiguration of the instrument cluster, which should be done during a conversion from F1 to gated manual.

    If the instrument cluster is converted correctly, there is no gearbox icon (no gearbox light) on the cluster.

    If the instrument cluster has not been converted, there is a gearbox light present. If the light has been "taped over" as Eric says, it should be visible upon close examination.

    Also you can display the cluster configuration using a good scanner - it will show a "manual" or "F1" mode.
     
  9. Gabe O

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    Thanks all - any guidance on a good starting point and test sequence to troubleshoot the cluster? I'm surprised I haven't seen or heard of anyone else with this issue, converted or not. Some more details below to answer your questions.

    I could be wrong, but I believe there is tape. I say this because the bottom part of the 7 (rpm) is slightly darker when the display is illuminated (indicating the tape goes a little too far up), and I recall seeing another shop use tape when doing an EAG-supplied conversion. Even still, I think many cars had the gear selection taped over, so I'm not sure I would equate tape to always result in no Check OK light. EAG did not have any record of my Check OK not working (that doesn't mean they had evidence of it working, either). I'm not sure what type of "bip" you're referring to, but you got me curious. I hear various beeps (like if you leave the key in after opening the door), but no buzzing or anything.

    I wait a good 10 seconds. Check out the video I posted in the original post. I've tried waiting for many different lengths of time, and no luck.

    Interesting points. Are you suggesting that any conversion with the gear selection taped over would result in no Check OK light, due to improper configuration? That would surprise me, solely for the fact that I seem to be the only one with this issue based on my research and people I'm in contact with. My little Autel AP200 is able to tell me what gear is selected, but I'll have to check again if it shows the manual or F1 mode. I don't recall seeing that.
     
  10. collegeboy

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    #10 collegeboy, Apr 1, 2025
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    More than likely it is related to the conversion. Who did the tune? Talk to Trev and he can do it correctly for you.

    I'm amazed that some places just use tape to cover up the light. Talk about not doing it right. If you have a good scanner you can select your cluster and change it from F1 to manual if needed. Very easy with the right tool.
     
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  11. collegeboy

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    What do you mean?
     
  12. Qavion

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  13. modificator

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    Gabe, if lack of "Check OK" was to be due to the EAG conversion, the problem would be in the cluster configuration and not engine tuning (note Trev tune is engine tune, not cluster configuration which is a separate process). Autel AP200 does not have an ability to display cluster configuration the last time I checked, unless it is a new addition. You need something like Leonardo/SDx or our proprietary tool (which can both read and configure the cluster). So you may want to drive to a Ferrari dealer/specialist shop and ask them to check the cluster and configure it to manual if not already configured. Or ping me off line regarding our tool, but driving to a dealer/specialist could be easier.
     
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  14. Gabe O

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    Thanks George. I'll ask around for someone local with the ability to read and configure the cluster. Just so I've got this straight, you're suggesting that the Check Ok is not displaying because the cluster simply was left in F1 mode? Or is there a possibility it was indeed reconfigured to manual mode, but there's another issue at play? I just find it hard to believe that the cluster was left out of the conversion process.
     
  15. modificator

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    We don't know what is causing the lack of Check OK, there could be many reasons and issues. But it is plausible that if the cluster (which servers as a central repository of various car configurations) is configured as F1 but the car is manual and is missing the F1 transmission control unit (TCU), Check OK will be missing due to lack of "car in neutral" signal from the TCU. Pls let us know the configuration once it's checked.
     
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