chin motorsport vs pb driver club

Sorry you had a bad experience. Chin is a very well run club. Maybe you just got a bad instructor. If you didn't know the track, you should of asked for a ride with a more experienced driver. I was their running in the red group on Sunday. I had a blast!

 

Post on Fchat before you go to your next event. If I would of known, I would of given you a ride along.

 

The wife and I were there both Saturday & Sunday.
My experience w/Chin is the polar opposite of yours.
Maybe you talked w/the one ****** in every group.
I suggest you give it another go.

Cheers

 

I run with Chin quite a bit. They do tend to have a more experienced crowd and there are some ridiculously fast cars out there. I consider them to be the fastest and most hard core group that I run with. I have not found them to be unfriendly but certainly you can find a few jerks in any crowd. A fair number of Fchatters run with them, post ahead and people will be glad to meet with you. Don't write them off after one bad experience, you do get a lot of track time with their events.

 

I can hardly believe your experience....I've run with Chin on MANY occasions, and I actually wish more clubs were like them...You get a TON of track time with them, and they were extremely professional.

Were you at one of the dual group days? I've never run with them in that format, but I still find it very unusual that they treated you poorly. Mark and Dr Chin have always been great, great hosts for us.

When I've run with them it has been under their 'Trackquest' format and they had three run groups...But usually by the second day they do 'blended' run groups, and you could literally stay on track ALL day long if your equipment could handle the abuse!

Sorry it wasn't a pleasure, but I implore you to give them another shot...I just can't say enough good things about them.

 

other than the track being boring to drive? It is the only road course in the country with a signature straight away. Go to Sebring or Homestead.

If you are a newbie I suggest doing an event with Porsche Club, they will hold your hand from A-Z, Chin is great, I get along with them well, They are most known for their solo program though

 

Hah! +1 on PBIR.

Seth Thomas and I just finished with a few of my clients at Chin at the Glen last week.

Chin is a GREAT format for those of us who are working on private programs with experienced, solo drivers. Would not recommend for newbies.

 

the reality is their format is just not geared for newbies, like procoach I have organized and taught many private events, the way the flow seems to work down here is clubs like PCA and NASA develop the newbies and then when they become self sufficient they end up at Chin for the additional track time. Their format is not conducive to newbies and the other formats are set up for fewer groups with more track time in each group. If you want some free advice on navigating the south east DE schedule PM me and I will help you out. not looking for a client, just trying to be an ambassador.

 

foodracer has a good perspective.

Chin DOES have a green group for those new to the sport, and because the track time is generous and the population density is low, the learning environment is a good one.

I like Chin's dedication to safety, they are good at outlining expectations while treating attendees like adults, rather than most groups which treat paying customers or club members as children, with often less than optimum outcomes!

It's gotten to a point where the PROPER, elemental education needs to occur at a stuctured, professional school. Skip Barber, Bertil Roos, PSDS, Bondurant and Russell are all good examples.

If there are newbies who have demonstrated basic skills looking for track-specific information, there are some clubs and organizations that are better than others.

For the majority of the track-day people I work with, these drivers need a safe, less rigidly structured environment to practice their craft. Track Clubs like Lime Rock, MMC, VIRMCC , NJ Drivers Club and perhaps PBDC, offer that.

Some commercial outlets do a very good job at that. In my neck of the woods, David Murry, Mark DaVia, Ten-Tenths, ReZoom and Group 52 do that with less density, TrackDaze with a little more.

Pay your money and take your choice.

 

I think the problem with Chin may be that they do not have a very good instructor program. Some of the other clubs dedicate more time to creating better instructors, some of those instructors wind up at chin. Dont get me wrong, I love chin and think the world of Mark Hicks and I know the feeling is mutual. He has a lot on his plate and working all over the country as they do does not allow additional instructor training, which is needed in every club.

As for professional schools, I think people get a lot more out of hiring a professional than they do dealing with a school who's sole purpose is to support their own race series. Going this route in general assures a program based on that particular students wants, needs and desires and pace, and in some cases can be cheaper than going to the school.