Chris Harris, "It is unquestionably the best car they make at the moment!"

Harris seems to have lost the bloat he had doing the 12C video. He looks slimmer and trimmer in his review of the Porsche GT3 touring 992.2 from a couple of days ago,

 

Uh no. Factory decides warranty issues.

 

I can’t speak for the D Cilindri but I can state that the 812GTS has just enough sound- and I would prefer more.

 

Yes but who informs the factory about the "issue" that might affect your warranty? If your local dealer doesn't tell the factory that you installed a new exhaust ... they will not know. Like I said, depends on the mods. No extreme or stupid mods. Also in order to get into a discussion about warranty being void then you need to be facing an issue that is affected by the mod. i.e if you install a new exhaust but your gearbox is having issues ... no dealer is going to claim its the modified exhaust that is causing the issue. Lastly, as I said ... depends on your dealer. A lot of them walk the "factory line" ... some of them are more flexible ...

 

Is it really worth taking the risk?

 

They are very unlikely to commit fraud to save you money when their dealership is at stake. The current systems can detect the most minor alterations to the exhaust. Caveat Emptor.

 

Wouldn’t it be better for Ferrari and FNA offer US customers a legal exhaust improvement.

if US emissions standards do not require GPF, then offer the deletion upgrade. Ferrrari would make money on the parts and the dealers would make money on the labor and parts.

Do it right with software upgrades and correct fitment.

This is a profit generator as much as painted shields or paint!

 

But those stuck with the soundless version would have to endure all the social media focus on the Ferrari that sounds like a Ferrari. A lot of sour grapes would ensue.

 

First of all it’s not fraud. It’s your car you are allowed to do whatever you want with it. And yes I know that Ferrari is super anal about any mods and that they have voided warranty on many occasions. However I know first hand of cases where dealerships apply common sense and do not punish customers for ******** reasons and where they even do some of the mod work themselves. I am sure you will not see this in big dealerships in Florida etc but believe me it happens. And yes they will not take risks, they make it clear that if there is an issue that affects warranty you need to return the car to stock in order to make a claim. And they will charge you for it.

 

I think he is referring to the dealer being open to fraud charges if they represent no mods to the factory when indeed mods have been made.

 

This and a dose of common sense.

 

Looks like unless I start listing dealerships I know that offer this flexibility—and risk causing issues for them—I won’t convince you, so I’ll leave it at that. You are so used to FNA high and mighty approach that you can't even consider the possibility that other dealerships, in other parts of the world, work differently.

 

So, there is no risk to any dealership world-wide? (I am genuinely curious, not arguing)

 

I am not saying Ferrari corporate is going to be ecstatic about it but I don't see anyone losing their dealership because of an exhaust system. Worst case the factory will void the warranty and the dealership is stuck with the cost ...

 

Ferrari brand dealerships are independently owned. Ferrari the manufacturer can suggest dealers not install aftermarket exhaust but not 100% sure Ferrari can tell a Ferrari dealer they'd lose the dealership license if they install aftermarket exhaust's...at least here in the USA. I'd sure love to see a Ferrari dealer contract though.

Also Chris Harris just released a glowing review of the F80 as did all other invited video review journalists this past week to this Ferrari event fyi. ;-)

 

The dealership can install to their hearts’ desire. The question is whether or not Ferrari will honor the warranty. And the fraud question is regarding if the dealer represents to Ferrari that no mods have been made in order to get warranty work done…. If the dealership commits fraud against Ferrari, that would be if they lose their license.

 

yep you understand the deao with all this

 

I just got my 812 back from being serviced. 250 capristo cats and exhaust. Car sounds phenomenal. Not too over the top and no longer muted. This is the third time I’ve had work done at two separate major SOCAL dealerships. One was a huge job that took months, Engine cover oil leak which I’m told is common with the 812. No one has said a word to me. Haven’t even mentioned the mods. All covered under warranty. Can you imagine if they voided my warranty over stupid minor mods like this. They’d never see me or any of the other 10k clients who have the same mods on these cars again. Too much at stake.

 

LOL they wont even let customers change the black parts on the 12C. Fairly certain 90% of customers would do so…..

 

They would be fools and wrong to claim anything on your exhaust is related to your recent service needs. There simply is no issue w these exhaust replacements and too many succumb to fear of the dealership

 

As much as a black exterior is always in need of cleaning, and gets warmer in the sun, I am considering a Nero Ds spider because I don’t like the way the contrasting black trim parts break up the flow of the eye—particularly at the tail of the spider.

 

I've seen many 12Cs now parked next to my 812 SF. From most angles, I prefer the 12C along with the larger wheels. My 812 is non-GPF car, 2019. The 12C is certainly quieter, but it's still a n/a V12 and sounds better than most new cars.

 

I am interested to see how we like the comparison. Our 812SF is 2018 non-GPF and one that I expect us to keep for a really long time. I wonder which we will most often take the keys for. They are very different spec’s with the 12C being more loud in spec which might balance the 812 being more loud to listen to.

 

I truly couldn't care less what any reviewer says about any car I'm considering buying, especially not a Ferrari.

 

My Ferrari dealer offers / sells after market exhaust so does Porsche dealer.
It is silly to think an exhaust is going to effect another part - engine nor any other part doesn't care what exhaust is on the car.
There are systems that are well aware of how to make a system work. No CEL No issues
Depends how far back in the system you go - but past the cats, is a simple change.

Most of the time we all are placing deposits and receiving the car with no review - I will take anything possible during the 2-3 year wait from debut to delivery.
Anything is better than reading posts of who likes what and what the cars value will be in years after debut. Understand it's fun to discuss, but 2-3 years of chirping without seat time is what it is. Chris Harris Shmee whomever - it's all we have, sadly it's very limited on most models.