Cizeta for sale on DuPont Registry

moderator should move this to the special thread for Italian cars & others... like Bizzarrini

 

The Lamborghini Diablo was based on this car. It has significant meaning.

 

A deal at just $2MM!

 

I can't for the life of me remember when the last one was for sale but it sure as **** wasn't for 2mm!

But in the current pre-bubble prices it's no wonder.

 

The blue one in New Zealand, former undelivered Brunei car, still hasn't sold at $500k. Red car in Japan, finally sold in 2013, price unknown, but at time, car was listed for sale for around $325k and was for sale at same location for years.

Yellow spyder sold recently and now in museum in Japan, but price unknown (was listed at $850k at one point).

$2m? Never happen.

 

Think you have this a little backwards.....or sideways. The 100% pure Gandini design was presented to Chrysler as a Diablo prototype, who said they wanted a rounder more beautiful design. Then afterwards Gandini started working with the Cizeta people.

So the Cizeta is based on a Diablo prototype. So it doesn't have significant meaning and should be moved to where all the other Cizeta threads reside.

 

Absolutely FALSE

Absolutely RIGHT

I will add that Gandini sold his project to Cizetta because Chrysler refused it.

So, AGAIN, this thread must be moved on the other threads where CIZETTA is residing !

 

Not quite....

Gandini was working for both companies at the time. Hits first Cizeta design was rejected (ugly as hell), and his first Lamborghini design was rejected as well.

In the end, the final Diablo still retains much of his initial Diablo design (albeit smoothed over vs sharp angles). The revised Cizeta is no doubt based on initial Diablo designs, but is certainly a much better looking vehicle than the pre-Chrysler refined design.

It's a misnomer to say "he sold a rejected Diablo design" to Cizeta. If I have John Williams compose a soundtrack for me, you can bet it's going to have trademark signature sound vs his previous and current work. Diablo still retains the majority of what Gandini designed, but smoothed over with the proverbial Chrsyler putty knife.

Here is a direct link with comparison images of both iterations of the super Countach along with final Diablo and Cizeta.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/139349192-post186.html

But I do agree this thread belongs in the 'Other Italian' forum

 

LOL!!! Nonsense. The Cizetta design came fist. Then the Diablo, as you can see the resemblance. Check the first design in that link. It shows the Cizetta more than the Diablo. You can ask Gandini himself.

+1

 

LOL.. Absolutely right. If you check your library you will see that I am right. Or go ask Gandini himself, you're close.

 

well, there is nothing to laught after the 2 hours reading the whole thread about Cizeta...

Not very interesting and very sad, because 80% of the thread just focused reader's attention on your fights with Claudio Zampoli... I would have prefer to discover more contribution like we do in the Lamborghini section.

I have nothing to say or to comment about what I read, it is just sad.

BUT, about your invitation to ask Gandini, I interviewed him 10th October 2012 for my encyclopedia in preparation/writing.

He was vague about that precise point, I dubble checked again my notes + voice recorder, he was not affirmative to have sold the project to Claudio Zampoli at 1st... he developped more the frustration he had following Chrysler decision to alter his 1st drawing.

Another person, Jean-François Marchet (author, journalist and founder of LCF) confirmed back in June 1988 Gandini's original design was not approuved by Chrysler (and then as a revenge) was offered to Claudio Zampoli.

I leave the door open to this question, and I will be less affirmative... hoping that a proof exists somewhere in one way or another, if you have such evidence, please share with us.

But for sure, I'm not actually granting you are right because , no less than a week before, I also interviewed Mr Guerra... you probably know him as well, he made all the Countach untill the QV, and later he built all Cizeta... he was less evasive about that question reason why I was affirmative...

 

will MODERATOR replace this Cizeta thread in its logical forum ???

that was my original comment...

 

Glad you were able to ask him. His frustration with Chrysler for alternating his first drawing was evident but he still swallowed his pride and allowed his signature on the Diablo. My point is that very first drawing ended up being the Cizeta in question. In a strange way, the "Cizeta" was born out of a "rejected" Diablo drawing, which again, shows the connection to the Diablo itself. As a Diablo collector, I have much respect for the Cizeta.

 

That whole time frame was interesting to say the least -

- Claudio rejected Gandini's original Cizeta design;
- Chrysler rejected Gandini's original Diablo design;
- Gandini submits new Cizeta design featuring a lot of the design trademarks in the original Diablo design; it was accepted by Claudio;
- Gandini submits revised Diablo design, which is still further rejected.

In the end, Chrysler paid Gandini for these designs (and if they didn't that's a new and unusual business model). In other words, rejected or not, Chrysler (through Lamborghini) owned those designs, and thus Gandini couldn't just turn around and sell a rejected design he likely did not own.

On a separate note, I see a lot of design similarities between the rejected Diablo design and the never produced Lamborghini P140 as well.

I look at the Cizeta design (with the boomerang slats) as what the Diablo/Super Countach should have been.

 

Well I don't know what came first but what I do know is that Chrysler butchered in a way the Diablo. I mean the Cizeta feels like a million bucks. However the Diablo has an air of ordinary transportation to it, the bumpers and rear. The bumpers are made with Chrysler plastics. But thankfully Audi remedied that with Diablo VT 6.0. Well sort of. The front bumper is rather thick even though made of the choicest materials. The Jerries are prone to making things extra thick and heavy. However the Diablo is razor thin.

 

I think the early Diablo is one of the most beautiful cars in the world, thanks to all involved with the design, not forgetting Bill Dayton. Of course I am partial as an owner