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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by WCH, Jun 21, 2017.
+1 well said.
I would too if I kept making the same point repeatedly
Awesome photo! Please submit to Barchetta to be mixed in with the others.
These cars should be driven and enjoyed, on the street as well as the track, not just at "events."
Sixcarbs: It is my photo. I chose to share it here, that is all.
According to a Classiche article in the latest Octane magazine the inspections to maintain Classiche status now have to be made every two years, not every year.
My apologies, the Classiche article I refer to above is in the latest Enzo magazine not Octane.
So I guess that Ferrari only needs to tell me every two years that my Ferrari is a Ferrari.
If you sell it and the buyer discontinues maintaining its biennial status as "still a Ferrari", will it cease to be one ?
I don't have an issue with having my cars inspected. I made an investment in Classiche and I have nothing to hide. I'm glad they require that cars mainatain the standards under which they were certified. What's the issue with that? From what I have heard (though I can't say I know of any of these cases personally), there are certain owners who swap out borrowed parts (such as exhaust's) for inspection and then re-modify their cars after certification. I've also found that the people who rail against this practice are also the ones that criticize Classiche for requiring annual inspections. How else are they to maintain the integrity of certification?The stamp of approval isn't for perpetuity.
2500 Euro is to much
Not Ferrari but of relevance:
From automotive news today
Porsche sees gold in classic cars
November 17, 2018 @ 12:01 am
Gaudin Porsche of Las Vegas has been part of the Porsche Classic program for three years, servicing older models.
Having customers drive their old vehicles around for years and years would be a problem for some car brands. For Porsche Cars North America, it's a potential new gold mine.
More than 70 percent of all Porsches ever built are still being driven today. But the vast majority of the more than 200,000 classic cars in the U.S. — nearly twice as many as in Germany — are serviced by independent repair shops. Porsche now hopes to bring some of that business into its dealer network by expanding its Porsche Classic operations.
The network has 10 Porsche Classic dealers in the U.S., specializing in the maintenance and repair of the old cars. The stores can also perform factory-sanctioned restorations, augmenting Porsche's restoration centers in Atlanta and Stuttgart.
Porsche wants to enlist more of its 190 U.S. dealers to be part of the program. Porsche Cars North America CEO Klaus Zellmer declined to say how many would be needed to adequately serve the growing business.
"What I can tell you is, I think there needs to be a lot more," the CEO said. "Strategically speaking, we need to ramp up our game because that's a business field where we can still grow."
10 percent annual growth
Despite the low participation, in less than four years, Porsche Classic has become the luxury sports car maker's fastest-growing business in the U.S., growing at a 10 percent annual clip, according to Zellmer.
"The business here in the States is growing at a much higher rate than anything else we do at the moment," Zellmer told Automotive News. "There's a lot of work that we need to do here in the United States in order to take care of those wonderful pieces of art."
The business supplies more than 52,000 genuine parts to dealers and independent repair shops to keep those cars on the road. About 300 new and previously discontinued parts are added to the Classic catalog each year.
A Porsche model is considered a classic 10 years after series production ends.
Classic customers need vehicle services, too, adds Bucky Melvin, Classic business manager for Porsche Cars, and that is an added opportunity for retailers. "If they have a body shop and want to do full restorations, they can advertise."
Becoming a Classic dealer requires enthusiasm, competence and deep pockets.
The factory considers several factors in approving a Classic dealer, including the size and age of the showroom, the store's demographics, the quality of its technicians and the volume of cars that go through the service department.
"It's a thorough vetting process based on multiple criteria," Melvin said. "Many things are considered including their Classic passion and their history servicing their Classic community."
Classic partners must invest between $65,000 to $85,000 in a Classic Corner in the showroom. The store must have a classic Porsche on display, host at least two Classic customer events annually, and send technicians and service advisers for periodic training.
"We want customers to immediately realize, when they step into the showroom, 'This is a Classic partner,' " Zellmer said. "There's a certain footprint that we require. It's like a shop-in-shop system."
Being a Classic dealer bestows a halo effect on the dealership and opens doors to new business.
It's also a way of engaging existing customers and introducing them to classic cars, Melvin said. A Panamera owner who is in the dealership for service might notice the 993 on display and become curious about heritage Porsches.
‘Open our Porsche tent'
Gary Ackerman, owner of Gaudin Porsche of Las Vegas, became a Classic dealer three years ago. Ackerman is a third-generation auto dealer who owns a collection of about 20 Porsche classics, including a 1964 911 and a 1975 911 Turbo.
"I loved the brand, the product, and the history," said Ackerman, who bought the Porsche dealership in the mid-1980s.
The Classic business "allows us to open our Porsche tent to people who are absolute Porsche purists," Ackerman said. "I want those people to understand that Porsche today still values them."
Ackerman said he is in talks with vendors in the independent repair and restoration business about forming joint ventures to broaden the service base of Porsche Classic.
"The more we can say yes to somebody who is running around with a car with a Porsche crest on it, the better off we are all going to be," Ackerman said.
Porsche also acknowledges that additional revenue from the Classic business could provide a hedge against an expected decline in service as electrification expands across the industry. Porsche is preparing to invest more than $6.5 billion on vehicle electrification by 2022. Electric vehicles require less maintenance than internal combustion engine- powered vehicles.
Thanks for posting. Interesting info. I actually just applied for Classiche certification for my 355 Berlinetta. Hopefully it won’t take too long.
Just out of curiosity, what are you looking to gain by Classiche certification?
It’s another layer of provenance, and it adds the additional level of factory sanctioned credibility to the quality of my cars.
most know that for the older ferraris the quality has not been always up to date. also the peolpe from classiche certification not see if for example the door handle from a 365 GT 4 2+2 is from ferrari or from fiat - and there is a great price difference even the handles are the same
My 89 328 GTB will be re-certified next week and I’m happy to do it. I’ll do the same for my 99 355 F1 Berlinetta in December. Having them Classiche certified and maintaining that accreditation is important to me. It goes to their overall provenance and creates just another layer to their story. I suppose there are those who cut corners and mess with their cars after getting certified but then again, they no longer carry certification. I’m not sure many are aware of that, or they choose to ignore it.
I got my 330GT certified in 2011 but haven’t had it “re-inspected”. No one has written to me informing me that it needs to be looked at again so I’m working on the basis that it’s still certified.
Does your Classiche Redbook include one of these manuals? I’m not sure if they included them as far back as 2011. For those unaware, this mini manual is for stamping by an authorized Classiche center after successfully being inspected.
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Does that cute little book include little packets of Kool-aid?
Nope, just a simple booklet for stamping verification after annual inspections to confirm a certified car remains in compliance. its inserted into a very nice, custom bound hard red book that sits with a hard bound sleeve. The red book includes a full study of your car with detailed images and data from the factory. It also includes a Classiche badge that some choose to display in their car, though mine remain within the red book.
Detailed images and data have to be supplied by the car owner to the factory, not the other way round.
Actually, I did not provide the images, nor did I take any of the photos myself. My car was custom photographed by my dealer during its Classiche inspection. The dealer must follow a very detailed application process that requires certain body panels to be removed to access serial numbers, exhaust systems, etc. (depending on the model). This application also details exact images that are required by Classiche for submission, including angles, how the car is framed, type of backgrounds in the images, etc.
Of course, if not done by the owner himself it is the dealer that does the job.
I suppose that would be a possibility for some, though it would require someone who was well versed in the process and had access to a lift and the appropriate tools necessary. For example, for both my 328 and 355, the cars were both on a lift and the rear wheel arches were removed to gain access to required areas for photos. The list of photos on the Classiche list is extensive (I believe close to 200 photos were taken, though not all are submitted). Then, after the application was initially submitted, the factory came back to my dealer requesting more images to be taken. So, yes, I suppose it's possible that an owner can take the photos, though I would be surprised if many are equipped to do so, and do so properly. Still, it's my understanding that all applications and annual inspections must be done by a dealer.
Of course, my frame of reference is limited to my cars, which are hardly ultra exclusive vintage examples. It's my understanding that the process for Classiche certification can often times be a much more challenging and detailed process in those cases. Obviously, you're uniquely qualified to address if this is true.