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  1. Specter

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    Dear all,
    Recently I bought a 250 GT from a friend of mine in France but the car needs to be restored and then I was thinking to ask the certification.
    There is somebody that can tell me how the certification process works ?
    Any suggestions about the best way to manage the restoration ?
    Thanks in advance to everybody.


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  3. miurasv

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    Which model 250 GT is it? Chassis number?
     
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  5. miurasv

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    #4 miurasv, Aug 31, 2021
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    Without knowing what is needed to be restored it will be hard to recommend anyone. You're not giving away much. Are you looking to get it restored in France or would you send it abroad? Do you want to leave it with some of the original patinated parts such as the interior and body trim or do you want it as new?

    Depending on your budget, you could just hand it over to Ferrari Classiche to oversee it all. To gain a Red Book Classiche Certification it will have to be restored to as it left the factory. Everything must work. The engine, gearbox, rear axle and mechanicals must be the correct type, though not necessarily the original units. Do you know if it has the original drive train units and if a matching numbers car? The colours do not have to match but the original colours and any replaced drive train parts will be noted in the Red book.
     
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  6. Marcel Massini

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    Color has to be a period correct color.
    Not a modern one.

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  8. Specter

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    Thank you very much for your information.
    How can I check if the car is matching number ?
    I didn’t know that Ferrari Classiche were able to restore the cars.
    Someone to contact there ?
    Thanks again


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  9. miurasv

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    #7 miurasv, Sep 1, 2021
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    @Specter The first thing to do is to find out the chassis number which will be on a plate on the bulkhead/firewall in the engine bay as pictured below. The chassis number of this one is 3633.

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  10. turbo-joe

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    would be good if you could fill out your profile and introduce yourself a little before asking here in this great community for some help. thank you
     
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  11. miurasv

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    @Specter Here is page 4 of a 250 GTE 2+2 Owner's Manual which you may have with the car which shows you how to find some of the ID numbers. You can see the Engine Number, which should match the chassis number, as well as the Numero Interno for the engine at 90 degrees below the engine number.

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    You will need someone who knows what they are doing to find the gearbox, axle and Pininfarina body numbers.
     
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  13. italiancars

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    you’ll be surprised that by simply suppling the chassis number, there are people here that can give you the general history on the the car. Some have records so deep that they know when, where and the exact time air was added to the tires.:cool:
     
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  14. italiancars

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    period correct color with modern clear coat formula? Or period formula?
     
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    A perfect topic for discussion.
     
  16. SAFE4NOW

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    If possible, you may contact your closest or preferred Ferrari Dealer, they can assist you through the Classiche process, including requesting orginal build sheets, which would provide you a lot of answers to the questions you are asking.

    Good Luck with your project, don't forget to post photos along the way!

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  17. Marcel Massini

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    Specter, hi

    What chassis number are we talking about here?

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  18. V12addict

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    Exactly, i am thinking the same. Big difference in the two formulas. Anybody ????
     
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    Original/period "formulas" were based on nitrocellulose lacquers or acrylic enamels, etc, most of which haven't been readily available for decades any more or even legal to use in many parts of the worlds, so I would say most older Ferraris with "Classiche" certification having received a re-paint in past 20+ years have been painted with modern materials, whether single stage or base coat/clear coat (incl. water based).
     
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  20. DWR46

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    I have never heard Classiche complain about the type of paint used. I have also not personally heard of them complaining about the color as long as the car is not some hideous color, though someone with additional experience with them might have encountered this issue.
     
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  21. italiancars

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    When I was restoring my Lamborghini Islero back to its original Bronzo Scuro, we found the original paint under the layers of other colors, also had original Paint samples. I was able to get PPG involved as they were the original paint supplier. They scanned both the original paint, the sample and compared with their original formula. All were the same, but when it was sprayed with modern paint, it was distinctively different. They asked me to give them a week or two to work on the formula.

    It turned out that the metallic chips used today were significantly larger than in period. Changing to a finer chip they were able to match the color. I was lucky to find someone at PPG that took it as a challenge to get the color right. That formula has now been used on a couple of other Islero. Great Color.
     
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  23. italiancars

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    yes it was/is. Here’s a photo of Islero #6243 in Bronzo Scuro. I’ve got a great passenger with me, being followed by my Ghibli SS #2110
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    VB is doing a fantastic job of letting someone else drive a Lamborghini. He must have to override a circuit in his brain's hardwiring every time he does that. :cool:
     
  25. Specter

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    Who are the best coach builders to restore the body and who are the best mechanics ?


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  26. italiancars

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    that comes down to geographics.
     
  27. Marcel Massini

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    @Specter: what was the chassis number again?

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