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360 Clutch disc replacement-- your thoughts

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  1. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

    Jun 20, 2017
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    My 360 is in for a new exhaust and brake pads. The shop is a Ferrari based shop (owner races 360, 430, etc.) and I have used this shop once before. I do trust the owner to be fair and I in turn have done work for him in my shop on cosmetic bits from his cars.

    It appears that the rear main is leaking. I have about 30K miles on the car and I regularly exercise it. His initial thoughts are the clutch disc has been contaminated with oil and he can feel it slipping. The car does not show a CEL (if that is a condition that a CEL would call out) and I have not noticed any evidence of slipping. But in any event when we discussed simply replacing the disc he was hesitant in not replacing the entire setup; disc, pressure plate, T.O. bearing.

    It sounds to me like the disc is only slightly contaminated and so long as the pressure plate is not burned or otherwise worse off than a cleaning it would be overkill to replace everything. Now I am in favor of proper maintenance but this trip to his shop is going to get expensive really fast (probably upwards of $14K) and any justified savings would be prudent here.

    Opinions of those in the know...?
     
  2. swc5150

    swc5150 Formula Junior
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    Will this be the first clutch job the car has seen? If so...since it all has to come out anyway, might as well do new pilot and TO bearings (Hill of course). A new clutch from Eurospares is about $1,800, so at least parts-wise you're not into it all that badly. The flywheel can be refinished as well vs the $$ for a new one. It just makes sense to replace the parts while you're already paying for the labor.
     
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  3. andrejwolk1975

    andrejwolk1975 Karting

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    A leak can only get worse. Change the rear main seal, the clutch, the TO bearings, the position sensor (if I remember correctly) and go with a flywheel "retouch".
    Once you are there, check the condition of the transmission mount. Adjust the PIS correctly. Done
     
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  4. GogglesPisano

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    Seems high even if everything is done. How much is he charging you for the rear main replacement? Gut says all that stuff has to come in and out anyway for a rear main so I don't know why it would be significantly more for new parts being put back in, unless he's charging you a premium on the parts.
     
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  5. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

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    No. Clutch was replaced at 21K miles. I have only 30K on the car now. I live in Florida so no uphill clutch slipping. Reverse is just reverse- never any inclines to back up into. So not really thinking the other components are necessarily "worn out" and need replaced. But with that said awaiting the Estimate on the entirety of what is being done.

    The rear main will be replaced.
     
  6. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

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    Waiting on his quote. I'm thinking the same; parts are not that expensive, but the labor costs, well at $215 pr. hr. that adds up fast-- plus remove and reface the flywheel... we will wait to see what the estimate comes back as.
     
  7. GogglesPisano

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    I would imagine the flywheel has to come off anyway to do the rear main but I'm not familiar with the clutch on these. Curious as to how many labor hours he's adding up for this. He's obviously familiar with the car since he has one. I wonder if it's a case of him charging you book hours versus actual hours.
     
  8. swc5150

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    It'll be interesting to see the labor quote as far as hours. I doubt you have much wear the ancillary parts, being the clutch was done only 9k ago.
     
  9. andrejwolk1975

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    9k miles are not so many to justify a change but, even if a clutch has been used as It should be, as you do, a PIS slightly off can wear it faster. It is already slightly slipping probably due the oil contamination...and my two cents are...change everything. The peace of mind is priceless.
    I don't know which is the year of fabrication of your car but the older ones have TCU that are less delicate with clutches: one thing more to think about for a clutch change.
     
  10. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

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    My 360 is a 2003. So the TCU is the latest iteration (the only one better is the Challenge TCU).
    I agree. The parts are not so much the issue. But rather how he charges the time. If it's the idea that he's already "in there" then the labor should not be as much as say doing the rear main seal only or the book on a clutch replacement only. Being into it and doing all the peripherals should be somewhat reasonable. We will see.

    Thanks to all you folks for the input.
     
  11. KC360 FL

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    It will be interesting. We have spoken often and have become quite acquainted with each other when it comes to our cars. Our shops are relatively close to one another. He knows I know a fair amount about my cars and he knows I've had more than a few Porsches, etc.

    After getting to know him, he is certainly a guy that wants to put everything that is even slightly questionable on the "list". I will be replacing brake pads. Now with only 30K miles on the car (and the pads have been replaced once already) he suggests he always wants to replace the rotors too. IMO, completely unnecessary. They are not scored or cooked, simply normal wear. I have to keep him on task and not embark on a "restoration" of all things mechanical. Which is to his credit, but of course, it all costs $$
     
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  12. andrejwolk1975

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    If rotors are within "spec" thickness and there are not other issues.....leave them alone.
     
  13. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    360 flywheels warp terribly. They turn bowl shaped. The disc wears to that shape as they both age. Never seen a good outcome doing as you suggest.
     
  14. KC360 FL

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    Can the dish in the flywheel be turned down flat? Or is it a new flywheel issue? I only have 30K miles on the car.
     
  15. collegeboy

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    2 suggestions.

    Change the entire clutch assembly while in there. That's a no brainer.

    Do the work yourself and save and learn a ton about your car. It's relatively easy IMO.
     
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