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  1. EZORED

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    So, I’m out driving the 512 tr yesterday, and all of a sudden my clutch starts fading and then goes away altogether. I ended up getting towed to my Indy service guys shop! I never heard any noise or clunks. While I was waiting for the tow truck, I thought I’ll check the hydraulic fluid. Well to my surprise, it was almost empty. Anyway when I got to the shop, we put in some fresh dot 4 , and bled the clutch and everything works fine. So two questions one shouldn’t a light have come on my dash when the hydraulic fluid got low? How come my brakes continued to work while I had no clutch. I guess this was a lucky thing, but thinking back it’s kind of scary. Following up on that, I tried to remove the float in the hydraulic fluid reservoir and see no way to get it out without possibly causing damage. Anybody have any suggestions?



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  2. 2dinos

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    Assuming Boxer & TR same...

    Fluid circuits for brakes and clutch are completely separate.

    Why would the lack of fluid stop clutch engagement (if I'm reading correctly - "clutch starts fading and then goes away altogether") - no clue? Lack of fluid would affect dis-engagement.
    For starters, I'd look for the leak. Hopefully your mechanic shed some light on the problem.

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  3. Steve Magnusson

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    I don't know at what fluid level the warning light should come "on", but, if you look at the 512TR or TR brake fluid/clutch fluid reservoir that supplies both systems, they (intelligently) put the port feeding the clutch master cylinder higher up than the ports feeding the brake master cylinder = clutch stops working first when fluid level goes down.
     
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  4. kartboy1234

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    I had an issue on a drive where the car would work fine until the engine was nice and hot and the clutch wouldn't fully disengage and it was hard to get it into gear or shift gears. It was fine once it cooled down. So I believe the fluid was boiling. When I bled the fluid it came out black.

    So maybe that's what happened, moist fluid boiled.

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  5. EZORED

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    Have not been able to spot any leaking yet. So I have filled it up full and will monitor as I drive it. Any clue how to test the warning light circuit or to remove the float from the tank to test? Considering its 30 years old, i an guessing it is pretty brittle. It will not twist off, and the wire leads are resisting removal.

    The big worry is where did the fluid go.


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  6. Rifledriver

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    The clutch slave cylinders have been known to leak. Simple bleeding would restore operation until fluid goes down again. Look for signs of leakage under the bell housing on rear cover of transaxle. Also there is a flex hose to the clutch at the left rear corner of power unit. Take a peek at that.

    Might have a look at brake pads too. If very thin maybe fluid level down from that robbed fluid from clutch.

    Look under dash at rear of clutch master for signs of fluid leakage.

    I dont think level sensor comes out. Drain reservoir as well as possible. Stuff area under it with paper towels. It is held to master cylinder with 2 barbed nipples in 2 rubber grommets and will come off if pulled firmly straight up. Be careful not to get fluid on body. You can then test for freedom of movement of float and put an ohm meter on connections, roll reservoir over to test switch.
     
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  7. Steve Magnusson

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    +1 to Brian's response. Another issue could be that the brake warning bulb system is not working (for a variety of possible reasons). I believe that whenever the starter motor is cranking, the brake warning light should also illuminate -- so make sure that that is actually happening during starter motor cranking.
     
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  8. EZORED

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    Steve, if i put a meter checking continuity across the 2 leads, should I get a open or closed circuit if the float is working?
    Brian, crawled around the car and found small drop of clear fluid under the rear bell housing. It may be the source of my fluid loss. If the slave is leaking do you have to pull the muffler and bell housing to replace?
     
  9. Steve Magnusson

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    Don't know, but you haven't sent me enough money to actually look at the painful 512TR schematics to figure it out and hurt my brain ;). I would guess that it's:
    fluid low = float low = closed continuity
    fluid normal = float high = open
    but it could be reversed. I think it is safe to assume that, whatever the state is when the float is low, it will be the opposite state when the float is at the normal operating height.
     
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  10. yelcab

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    So that's how it is now Steve? You got rid of your car and now you charge for your knowledge?
    Ezored, you have to pull the pumpkin in order to change the slave bearing, the muffler stuff too.
     
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    Its worth it. He knows the electrics better than anyone.
     
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