Colombo V12 from 365 for sale on BaT

It's cheap, with some valuable parts, but has seen some better days.

Seems odd to leave half of the power steering ancilaries in the lot.

 

I think the engine comes from 18295.

 

Good day Raemin,

The current bid ($2500 USD) is not the final bid... which usually increments up quite rapidly during the final closing minutes of the auction. My guess is that the final bid will be much higher.

Cheers,

Sam

 

Interesting lot - might be a fun rebuild for aspiring DIY mechanics. Could be worth quite a bit once properly restored, but would take quite a bit a money and time to do so…
I’m thinking winning bid will be 10-15k
What does everyone else think?

 

Given how nice the car was in 2000, one can assume that the engine must have had serious trouble to justify such a decay.

Maybe one head damaged with all the timing bit worn out. This plus the usual parts (valve, guides, chain, weber service kit, etc...) So more or less $15~20,000 to fix.

I would not spend more than $10.000 on this one. Someone desperate for parts could find it more valuable though.

 

Good day Jared,

Buying a rebuild from someone or some company that is not known to be experts and/or rebuilders of these engines, would make potential buyers nervous and so potentially difficult to sell. Secondly, some buyers may want some sort of warranty... which again may be challenging for some to provide. All of which would place downward pressure on the price.

Overall I think that this engine would be great for someone who needs or wants spares to have on hand or to rebuild when needed.

I also think that the price will be 10-15K as well.

Cheers,

Sam

 

There is a 1981 400i engine on eBay at a Buy-It-Now price of $15,000.00 (or Best Offer) that has been for sale for some time. Clearly, @samsaprunoff is correct with his assessment of what it is worth given the carb'd engine would be worth more I'd think.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/235655766347

 

Good day All,

Wow-za ... The engine sold for $28250 USD... There were 2-3 bidders that really wanted the item.

The winner posted that the engine is going into his 1960 250GTE that was torn apart years ago... Well, at least it is going to a good home!

Cheers,

Sam

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Wow-za is right! That is a ton of cash for an engine that now needs another $25k+ before fitting in that 250GTE.

 

Will inner wheel arches need to be modified to get those carbs / air cleaners in the 250GTE?

 

Good luck getting that motor in a 250 GTE.
And good luck rebuilding it for $25K.

 

The winner also bought this to put in their 250 GTE.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/ferrari-type-245/

 

I've spent less for two complete cars then he has just in engines...

 

Good day Mike,

To me the terms "rebuild" and "restored" mean different things to different people... and so the overall "rebuild" cost can be quite variable depending upon what is needed, what is done, and to what level.

Cheers,

Sam

 

Hello Sam
If I have learned anything over the years about Ferrari motors.... fixing one thing usually identifies another need, then another... and before long the entire engine needs a rebuild to make it right. Learned this on my 250 GTE and on my (first) 365 GTC/4. A quality and thorough rebuild of a Columbo V12 here in Phoenix is a $50K- $75K proposition. Of course, if you do it yourself, that's a different situation.
I hope you 365 project is coming along nicely.
Kind regards
Mike

 

Good day Mike,

Understood.... as it certainly can be a rabbit hole once one gets into all the bits... then there is refinishing of parts that takes time/effort, etc. As I mentioned, lots of variables to the overall time/cost.

My 365 has not been seeing to much attention, as I have been focusing on my BB and getting its now correct carbs in place. Long story is my 512BB had 365BB carbs on it for some reason and it took time and the willingness to help from another BB owner to get the correct set. The carbs were crated for well over 25 years and so they needed attention. Additionally whoever put on the 365BB carbs was "nice" enough to snip away all of the wiring to the fuel enrichment solenoids that are on present on the 512BB carbs (365BB carbs do not have these solenoids). So... I have had to recreate the wiring harness, but using a bit of sleight of hand with the exposed wiring. Ferrari used wires with zebra-type striping as opposed to a single running stripe along the wire... and finding the correct zebra striped wire is impossible and so another mechanism was suggested to give the same look. I did get one of my rear suspension assemblies all mounted and so a bit work work was done, but not nearly the progress speed I hoped. I will post more in my car's thread as I get the car back on the hoist... which will involve an engine out + a bit of engine and engine bay refreshing.

Cheers,

Sam

 

Hi Sam,

Can you help :- l got sent a link to your post - & noticed you had a similar problem trying to source the “zebra” trace wire used in Ferrari wires .. I’m in the UK and have tried unsuccessfully to source some ! I’m currently doing some loom rebuilding on the “ tired wiring@ on a 72 Dino .

So... I have had to recreate the wiring harness, but using a bit of sleight of hand with the exposed wiring. Ferrari used wires with zebra-type striping as opposed to a single running stripe along the wire... and finding the correct zebra striped wire is impossible and so another mechanism was suggested to give the same look.

Could you possibly give me a steer on the “another mechanism was suggested to give the same look”.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Kindest regards

Derrick


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Good day Derrick,

On the 512BB the exposed zebra striped wires that I was working on are sheathed with a black outer tube. Consequently, only a portion (2-3 cm) of the wire was visible. As a cheat, I was able to salvage a bit of the remaining zebra striped wire so that portions could be soldered to readily available wire that was then heat shrinked. The black outer tube then hides the soldered connection and all that remains is the visible zebra wire... and so the harness looks OEM correct. You could do something similar if you your OEM wiring setup uses or can use the black shealthing/tubing.

I did come up with a solution so that would allow me to recreate the original zebra striping (stripe width and separation distance between stripes), but this would have been more work and involve me creating some mechatronicutomation devices (day job). In my case, the above approach worked well and was the most straightforward approach. If I had to recreate multiple wiring runs, looms, etc then I would have went the mechatronic approach, as the few days creating the device would save a lot of time than the other approach, would not rely/need the outer black tubing, and would be a much superior solution.

The last option would be to have a wire manufacturer custom make the wire style needed. This is very doable, but could be pricey (setup costs) + require a minimum purchase volume.

I hope the above helps.

Cheers,

Sam