come out and admit you hate paddle shifters, whomever you are stand and be heard

No, hardtops are for sissies. real men ride out in the elements...wind in the hair whether sun or rain...

When F1 drivers start driving hardtops I'll thing about converting...maybe wear make-up and a dress too.

May the horse be with you.

 

Correct! The real men are racing on two wheels in Moto GP, the F1 drivers are a bunch of Prima Donnas.

 

I guess you do loose some of the human aspect of it by using the paddles and I can assume that some of the fun goes out the window also, like I said, I have never driven one and never been in one with someone really driving the car hard. I guess you would have to drive both the paddle shifter and the manual shifter to see which one is best for you. When you talk about reliability, I guess the paddle shifter is more reliable, because you don't have a clutch to worry about? It seams that the paddle shifters are getting to be more popular for other manufactures also, I think Nissan has them for the new Maxima, don't they?

 

its fun to shift a real shifter sometimes

 

I did not take the time to read every post in this thread.

I have owned both F1 shift and currently own 6 speed stick/clutch pedal, both in 355 form.

One thing to remember is that a F1 car is still manual, it runs a gearbox not a transmission, no fluid drive here guys. They are both great to drive, lets be honest here, were talking about a Ferrari, its going to be great to drive. The difference for me comes down to the harshness of the F1 system, how often in a stick/clutch pedal car do you try to shift as fast as possible? For me its next to never, i hardly ever slam my cars through the gears, but this is exactly what an F1 car does, its in race mode all the time, the gear changes are very impressive but i also feel they are very hard on all the components of the car, this brings the decision to an easy conclusion for me. If i was buying a track car, it would be F1 all the way, but for a road car the 6speed stick/clutch pedal combo works better.

Both are great, i dislike neither, for my application i prefer stick/clutch pedal. Each to their own!

 

What ever happened to a sequential stick option?

Kind of like having control of my clutch.

 

in the 360 I just acquired it really seems to be while the car is not in sport mode the shifting is much slower, while when you put it in sport mode.. then it shifts very fast like an F1 car.

 

Every car I've ever driven with paddle shifters, I've disliked. If you know how to drive a manual gearbox well, it's a blast. Paddles are just a pain in the ass, not smooth at all. I hate having to think about starting from a stop light or waiting for the stupid gearbox to shift.

 

I have to say that I'm not a fan of the paddles either. I test drove an M3 prior to picking up my 545 and. I hated it. To keep the record straight-I'm not a Ferrari owner. I prefer the older cars to the newer ones. The thought of a new Ferrari with out the gate and ball- just not my bag.

Its sad but when i do fork over the money for the "dream" car it will have to be an older one. The idea of paddles is fantastic for F1 driving but in a real life deal-the fun of driving the car is partially derived from the shift.

 

Do you mean the Cadillac with the automtic that broke the record at the Nurburgring in under 8 minutes ? The Cadillac that is the fastest production sedan on the planet ? You mean THAT one ? The one for the OLD people ?

 

How many of you guys think that paddle shifters will be the norm in cars in the future? No worries about a clutch, cheaper maintenance, sounds like the way to go.
I have another question for you guys. I know when you heel and toe a manual transmission you are supposed to match you're revs, how do the paddle shifters do that? I know I have heard the 430 Scuderia is the best example of that. What was the first year that Ferrari came out with the paddle shifter and which car was it?

 

You all best enjoy your F1 while you can. I am willing to bet the dual clutch system in the new California will replace the F1 system in the new cars going forward and the F1 will be thrown on the junk heap while the manual shift motors along as an option. F1 parts will become scarce and expensive.

 

Race Car : 1989, very first in Formula 1.
Road car :1997 it was the 355. The first system of its kind for a road car.

 

They effectively have...98% of the F430's delivered have F1.

 

love the flaps

admit defeat !!!!!!!!!!

 

gearbox is just a synonym for transmission. well actually gearbox generally means either transmission or transaxle.

 

Wrong on both points, so if that's the extent of your argument you actually favor a stick!

 

Hold on to those manuals boys. Could it be they will hold better value than the F-1's? It will be interesting if 10 years from now they use only the dual clutch and people talk about the clunky F-1 style and how primitive it was. You don't seem to hear too much griping from the vintage talk about how dismayed they are with their manual shifters. Some things won't/ shouldn't change IMO.

 

Paddle shifters don't require a clutch, do they? I always thought it was just like an automatic transmission, you could shift it or let it do the shifting for you. It is just like a sequential shifter, isn't it, except with a sequential shifter you push and pull, right?

I have never driven a car with paddle shifters so right now I have to enjoy what I have, a Nissan with a 6 speed manual transmission.

I would think in racing having paddle shifters would be a lot better, quicker shifts, don't have to worry about missing a gear or you're foot slipping off the clutch.

 

It depends. There are paddle shifters which just control an automatic transmission. For example, the paddles on the corvette. In that case, of course there is no clutch.

Then there are the paddles we are talking about which control a manual transmission. There is no clutch pedal but since the transmission is a manual there is still a clutch -- computer controlled and triggered by the paddles (in manual mode). In general, having a computer controlled clutch puts much more wear on it than when a human uses a clutch pedal. ESPECIALLY when you launch it. So you don't have to worry about operating a clutch pedal but you certainly do have to "worry" about the maintenance.

There are 2 types of sequential shifters, those which control a syncromesh transmission (ie, a normal, street type of manual transmission) and those that control a racing dog ring sequential transmission. When you talk about a sequential shifter, most folks normally mean you are controlling a sequential transmission. But there are some aftermarket kits which give you the sequential shifter for a H-pattern syncromesh gearbox. These are akin to carbon fiber decals.

 

In racing, paddle shifters are better.

 

I wonder if anyone owns a F1 transmission because they can't drive manual.

 

hate paddles. love manual.........