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Comparison of 2006 and 2007 F1 cars

Discussion in 'F1' started by Ferrari_lvr, May 5, 2007.

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  1. Ferrari_lvr

    Ferrari_lvr Formula Junior

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    I've noticed this year that somehow the 2007 cars don't look as fast as the 2006 cars. I'm not sure it's true, but I know it's completely obvious that there slower than the 04 and 05 cars, probably even 03, maybe 02. I for one don't want to see F1 get slower every year. On a sidenote, in Bahrain, Anthony Davidson qualified 10th with a 2006 chassis, while 12 cars that were painstakingly researched, developed and tested all winter to be "new" cars, were slower than that "old" car. I think the difference in times is because of the tyres. There was a fantastic tire competition between Bridgestone and Michelin, which resulted in better tires. Now that Bridgestone has the monopoly, they don't really have to wear themselves out over making a faster and more efficient tire.

    On the straights at Malaysia and Bahrain, from what I can tell, it seems like the cars get up to speed really fast, and then all of a sudden they slow down big time at around 180mph. They won't even do 200mph on the Circuit de Catalunya pit straight, which they usually do. I think this year the only 200mph tracks are Indy and Monza. That sucks.

    If the cars are going to be getting slower every year, since the engine freeze lasts until 2008, who will be responsible for that? Is it Bernie? I already really don't like Bernie. Is it Max Mosley? I want to find the culprit behind the slowing down of the sport. The V10s were excellent. Superb acceleration, and they sure as hell didn't slow down to a crawl once they hit 300km/h or less. I would love to see them return, or better yet the V12. F1 should stop riding on cornering and braking and put some serious straightline grunt back behind the driver.
     
  2. maxorido

    maxorido Formula 3

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    This is exactly the reason. The Speed commentators said the exact same thing as well. The idea of F1 getting slower each year is depressing, and quite frankly pathetic. I mean, what were the specific reasons given for the introduction of things that actually make the racing worse? What was the reason for going down from V12>V10 and now to V8? What was the reason for TC? How about grooved tires? It would seem like the people making these decisions aren't racing fans.
     
  3. 1_can_dream

    1_can_dream F1 Veteran

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    I think their main excuse for slowing the cars down is for the safety of the drivers. Which I can agree with, but at the same time the drivers know the risks when they get into the car. I'd love to see the cars have less restrictions, more speed, and more passing. However if it means more drivers getting injured then they're making the right decision.
     
  4. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    i for one, prefer a 1 tyre supplier to the sport. this way, drivers go against drivers, engines vs engines and teams vs teams, w/out compromising safety ( Indy 2005 ).


    but the way things are going, i think we should see slick tyres returning in a few years time. yes, faster speeds means more dangerous for the drivers, but come to think about it, thats what drivers job are for. they're paid millions to do it. of cos, i'm not saying that i'd be happy if a drivers crashes and injure himself because of high speeds.

    but my point is, F1 is F1. it's supposed to be fast, challenging, and not for the faint of heart to drive those cars.

    But, F1 nowdays are getting more boring. barely any overtaking, the race is decided in the pits, and it's like a parade from the start to finish. nowdays, it's all about being technical, who has the better strategy.
     
  5. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    I don't see why every year F1 cars should be faster than last year. It's not about a speed race but about competition. I don't care if an F1 car goes 200 or 300 kmh along a straight as long as they can pass eachother. That's far more important IMO than speed. Not to mention the costs and safety aspects of higher speeds.
     
  6. TheBigEasy

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    Yes they are getting slower. Slower cars are better than dead drivers.
     
  7. Mr Payne

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    I would prefer cars that were 99% as fast but made for more passing (while still being a constructors series).
     
  8. maxorido

    maxorido Formula 3

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    Oh come on, none of this slippery slope nonsense. What was wrong with the speed of the cars in 2004-05? Did anyone die then?
     
  9. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    thanks to nowdays hi tech crash tests, drivers can walk away from a 300 km/h ..just shaken..
     
  10. amuse

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    2004 was probably the year that F1 was the fastest. Making F1 slower isnt entertaining. It should always go up, not down.
     
  11. 62 250 GTO

    62 250 GTO F1 Veteran

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    It depends on which year you're talking about. If one tire maker has a bad year, all of their teams will suffer greatly. I'm for one make of tire per year.
     
  12. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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  13. ferraridude615

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    and not stirred, :) :) :), ha ha ha i made a funny :)
     
  14. Kami

    Kami Formula Junior

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    I hate to be blunt, but these guys are race car drivers. They know what they're getting themselves into when they climb into the car. No one I've ever heard of has thought driving fast was completely safe on any level. Especially when everyone else out there is going after the same goal you are. Racing is dangerous plain and simple. Perhaps instead of spending so much money on slowing the cars down, they should spend it on devising ways of advancing saftey with speed.
     
  15. Kami

    Kami Formula Junior

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    My previous post was intended for this quote. Sorry didn't catch it 'til it was too late.

     
  16. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    good post!
     
  17. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The faster the cars get, the less passing we will see. It's already quite pathetic, but it could literally turn into ZERO passing, EVER. I would hate to see that.

    We don't get the sensation of speed at home - at least not in terms of slight differences between speed in adjoining years. So the speed is just a lap time on the screen, or a max speed through the traps. Who cares, really? Other than just seeing that number?

    I would take much slower cars with much more passing any day of the week. Slower cars would be the biggest way of making F1 have more passing.
     
  18. menoy

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    Why can't a tyre supplier be an element of the team just as an engine? It might be an exaggeration, but along this line of thinking - if 1 tyre maker, why not 1 engine maker? And then if 1 engine maker, why not 1 chassis maker? etc. I think the more the better, makes for healthier and more attractive competition. I don't want F1 to head in the direction of A1GP, Formula Renault and the likes, where everything apart from the driver is standardised.
     
  19. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    while i get your point, why i mentioned tyres should not be a decider, or else u want something like 2005? where the BS tyres teams were totally outclasses by Michelins? or back in 2002-2004, where the Scuderia and BS tyres wrapped up the championship with half the season to go.


    look for yourself at the current standings this season. just 3 races in, and everything's so tight for the 1st time in years. plus, i don't want a good team, with good chassis and drivers only to be handicapped by underperforming tyres...
     
  20. Ferrari_lvr

    Ferrari_lvr Formula Junior

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    My point exactly.
     
  21. Ferrari_lvr

    Ferrari_lvr Formula Junior

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    Well, we don't want like 300mph down the pit straight at Monza. Well, actually...
     

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