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Considering a California

Discussion in 'California(Portofino)/Roma(Amalfi)' started by sgferrari, Sep 7, 2017.

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  1. sgferrari

    sgferrari Rookie

    Aug 11, 2015
    30
    I am considering a 2013-14 Cali 30. This will be the 3rd car in the family. Others are 4 doors including my DD Cayenne Turbo. This is purely a personal “want” vs “need” decision. Wife is not much into cars at all. Thus, it is also serving as a good test of how much I really want it. At this point, the main choices are Cali 30, 2014-2015 R8 V10+, FF. Cali and R8 are the more exciting choices given that they provide the feel of a sports car. FF is a more practical choice with questionable looks, and the mighty V12. For now, I am not considering 458 or Huracan as they are too attention grabbing. Price is not a big consideration. However, the running costs are since this (itch for a phenomenal car) has become a hobby. And I really want to figure out how worthy is the hobby in comparison to other interests. I have a few questions


    1. Can a 10 year old fit in the back seat of a Cali for short drives with the family, say 15-30 mins?
    2. Maintenance – Would a 2014 model have maintenance covered till 2021? I have seen posts where extended warranty is available for almost 6K/year for 2 years. Can you renew after 2 years into 3rd-4th year? Is the extended warranty needed after the 7 year factory warranty? On top of that add 3k/year insurance. We are looking at almost 10k/year of maintenance costs. I asked many questions on this topic to express the essence of my thought process. Please provide perspectives.
    3. 2014 and later R8 V10+ - Please share any experience with this car. It has amazing looks including the rear. Recently I test drove an earlier 2011 Spyder with base V10. It was lovely. I can see it being a DD supercar. The exhaust note wasn’t as nice as 2014 Cali that I drove. Also the car didn’t feel as solid and planted as Cali. However, it was a very short drive so my initial impressions may be off.
    4. As a 3rd car, I don’t expect to drive it everyday. Wondering how you made the decision between Cali and FF given their prices are similar. Cali sounds more exciting in form including hard-top convertible option. FF has the mighty V12 and 4 seats. As a 3rd car though, I am not sure whether I should optimize for practicality or fun.

    Thanks for your input!
     
  2. OwenC

    OwenC Karting

    Aug 12, 2017
    62
    I was in the same boat as you recently and I was able to acquire a preowned Cali 30 with HS package. To answer your questions...

    1. Rear seats of the Cali seem smaller than a 911. But you should be fine if front passenger gives some space to your 10-year old behind him/her.

    2. I think policies vary on each country. For the 7 year maintenance plan, it only covers consumables and I had to pay labor fees. While for general warranty, the dealer did offer an extended warranty package.

    3. I've only tried an R8 in V8 although I've driven late model Gallardos which use the same V10 and transmission. While power is good, after tasting dual clutch transmissions (PDK, DCT, etc), at least for me, a single clutch feels quite dated and clunky especially for a powerful car. For older sports cars, I'd probably even prefer a manual. So between the Cali 30 and previous V10 R8, unless cost or reliability are concerns, I'd surely go for the Cali.

    4. I think this is more of a personal choice. If a pre-owned FF was available at similar prices as the Cali 30 where I'm from, I actually might consider it as I've never had a V12 and the interior looks more sophisticated. Anyway, I am enjoying the Cali as it's actually quite a comfy ride. It's not hyper fast but the exhaust note alone makes you fall in love with the brand. Maybe I feel this way because I'm new to the brand but I guess I'm enjoying the moment.
     
  3. Sig. Roma

    Sig. Roma Formula 3
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    Just curious how reliable is a Cali? I'm thinking of one for the future. I've driven Mercs for my daily drive, I"ve got an old 911 (1968 build) and all my cars for the past 20 years have been really reliable (in fact, when I was working in the auto industry, the target build life of a car was 150,000 miles). Are Ferrari's built to this standard now?
     
  4. azlin75

    azlin75 Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2017
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    My wife and i rented a 2016 Cali T for a week while in vegas. I was very surprised how well mannered it was on the street, and my wife loved how comfortable she was in the car. Al that said the car we used had 36k on it and we added another 2 k on it in a week. It performed flawlessly. cant speak as to how well the radio works as we never turned it on, and never used the GPS either used mine since i already knew how to use it and had stuff already marked.

    Overall I was quite happy with the experience, and have been looking at earlier models. From what i can tell the earlier ones are about 100 hp less and have a more dated radio (similar to what is in my Ram truck and my wifes Town and country) and have looks that pay homage to the 250 California from the 50's. I actually like the looks of the 90 -14 cali but like the more modern hood personally.

    The only thing I wonder about is availability of parts in 20 more years for these. By all accounts the California is more an everyday car and most people seem to agree. Im thinking it will be what I wind up purchasing and im planning to start my serious searching in around a year after i pay off my truck. Ive already been tucking money away in anticipation of a future purchase. Im kinda hoping that since the Portofino was announced that prices of the cali 30 come down a bit more since i have a wife imposed cap on what im allowed to spend on "toys" so i might be able to get more car for the money but my crystal ball is a little fuzzy so we will see.
     
  5. vjd3

    vjd3 F1 Rookie
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    Jun 3, 2005
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    Annual maintenance is free for 7 years from the in-service date of the car, but must be performed within 30 days of that day on either side, I believe ... so if you miss a maintenance, you can't make it up for free.

    The original warranty is 3 years from the in-service date of the car. That can be extended for one or two years for full coverage ... but only if the original warranty has not expired. I don't know if you'll find a 2014 that has not expired yet. You can still buy the New Power extended warranty on an annual basis, as long as the car passes inspection and is up-to-date on scheduled maintenance. This covers major components and is worth having, in my opinion, although it is not as comprehensive as the new warranty -- I extended my 2013 for two years and it's up at the end of next June, so I will buy the New Power at that point, assuming no one buys my car as I have had it up for sale, though I am wondering why lately : )

    My car has been very reliable, aside from a problem with a convertible top sensor that was causing "roof failure" errors when the top was fully up or fully down. Once they figured out which sensor it was, the car has been fine, but it took them a few tries. That I blame more on the technician at my dealer than I do on the car. As far as engine, brakes, gearbox, etc., no issues ... but I still think the warranty is a good thing to have for peace of mind.

    I looked at the new R8 ... it left me a little flat, it looks a little too much like a TT and not special enough. I can't say enough how comfortable and nice it is to own the California 30 ... I just drove a mint 2015 911 Turbo S cabriolet and even though that car is scary fast it felt heavy and not nearly as much fun to drive as the Cali 30 -- the Cali 30 feels light, with razor sharp handling and the sound of the motor puts the Porsche to shame.

    I have also driven an FF recently and as wonderful as the V12 is, and the extended utility of the car, I would not trade it for the top-down experience and sound of the Cali 30 ... driving a Ferrari in the open air is just a terrific experience.
     
  6. sgferrari

    sgferrari Rookie

    Aug 11, 2015
    30
    Thank you for the insightful responses.


    1. Maintenance – assume the original warranty has expired on 2013/14 model. Between annual maintenance, extended power warranty and insurance – are we looking at 10K/year ballpark?
    2. Cali 30 vs T – I have driven a 2014 Cali 30 (with top down and up) and by far the best driving experience in my life. The sound, the feeling, the handling – super!! T will probably be faster but I really liked the NA V8 of the Cali 30. I have driven turbo engines most of my life. On my DD Cayenne Turbo, its extremely fast but there is always a slight lag before the surge of power. For that matter I also drove a Panamera GTS recently. The 440 HP NA v8 feels so much more awesome. I am leaning towards a NA engine in next purchase.
    3. Cali30 vs 2014 R8 V10+ - both have DCT and NA engines. Does R8 feel and handle as great as Cali? I drove an earlier 2011 model with R-tronic, the experience was kinda lacking. I really love the looks of Gen1 R8 though, feels exotic esp the low, wide rear. And it can truly be a DD supercar.
    4. Audi vs F Cali – I would have an easier time to convince wife to allow purchase of R8. She thinks Ferrari is like a Rolex, very much on the face. Do you want to drive round a Rolex? As a car guy, I am convinced given the handling, feel etc
    5. Cali vs FF – Cali scores on convertible and looks. Furthermore, I also think its easier to sell a Cali few years down the line than FF given it’s a more mainstream car. FF is truly a niche (4 seats, questionable looks) although prices are comparable in this range. Is Cali truly more liquid than FF?
     
  7. vjd3

    vjd3 F1 Rookie
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    You can buy the extended warranty for about $4400 per year ... insurance will vary by your location and driving history but mine (in Rhode Island) is about $3k. Maintenance is free.

    I would argue that the California -- if it is in a more understated color (mine is grigio titanio -- a dark silver) than, say, red -- is more under the radar than a new R8 which presents more as an exotic.

    The FF is a marvelous car but has relatively limited appeal ... the fact that you can buy a near-$400k sticker 2014 FF certified with 7k miles from a Ferrari dealer for $175k ... they have fallen a long way from new. So have the Californias, but not quite that drastically. Both will bottom out eventually. But I think the California will always be easier to sell. The FF is heck of a lot of car for the money now if you're going to keep it, but then again the warranty costs more on the 12 cylinder cars, and eventually the maintenance will be more expensive.
     
  8. sgferrari

    sgferrari Rookie

    Aug 11, 2015
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    FF is indeed a marvelous car. I believe its depreciation is so high because of limited popularity. On the same token, I notice FF owners are very passionate about their vehicle. Some aspire for F12. Likewise R8 owners are quite happy. And aspire for Huracan/458. Wondering what Cali owners aspire for?
     

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