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  1. Bob Parks

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    I have to throw in my support for the air traffic controllers here. I feel that their shift assignments and work load has done them in and that the director, who has resigned,is the culpable party here. One does not CHOSE to fall asleep when he or she has been on split shifts, working on day shift and then midnight shift, it overtakes you. I have done it and it is not workable if one does not have at least a two day period to semi-adjust. Cut backs in staffing by the FAA and others has caused this and other problems in the operations of some of the Federal Government organizations. The media hype regarding " lack of landing control" is over the top and I, for one, resent it. Pilots can and do announce their position and their intensions and LAND. I might be wrong here but I have done it so many times alone and with my son that I know that it works if you are cognizant and checking everyone else.
     
  2. Gatorrari

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    Maybe they need to provide a device such as installed in most modern locomotive cabs. There, there is a button that needs to be pushed about every 30 seconds or so, when a tone sounds, or else the train will automatically come to a stop. In the control tower, it could simply sound the tone (continually) if not pushed periodically.
     
  3. JLF

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    That pretty much sums it up.
     
  4. Bob Parks

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    Right on ! I thought of this very thing that can be installed in a dark quiet tower, a Caxon Horn ( spl ). That could be triggered by a lack of response from a controller and I'm certain that it would be effective.
     
  5. donv

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    I still don't understand how they don't hear the headset (or speaker) come to life and not wake up. Dozing I can certainly understand, but this?

    Of course, the one guy had his own bed that he made from cushions, so I guess I can understand that one... (and he was sacked, rightly so).
     
  6. Bob Parks

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    Agreed. Sacked for a sack. A bit up front in this case but I think that some just succumbed to need to sleep and drifted into the night.
     
  7. Gatorrari

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    I've heard ground-to-air communications, and a lot of people speak in a monotone so dull that it might tend to put one to sleep, not wake one up! :D
     
  8. donv

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    In the middle of the day, you are right. However, at 3am it is silent, and so anyone speaking comes as a bit of a shock. At least to me, when I've been flying at that hour.

     
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  10. Bob Parks

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    I now see that the FAA has admitted that the schedules of the controllers might be to blame here and they are adding another man in the tower and are going to " adjust" the schedules giving them and extra HOUR between changing of shifts from day to night. NOT ENOUGH ! An entire day is minimum.
     
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  12. 430man

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    A controller at Cleveland Center decided sleeping on the job wasn't bad enough and upped the ante by watching a movie instead of his Radar screen. And then he did something really stupid:

    FAA Statement:
    http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-local-air-traffic-controller-suspended-for-watching-movie-txt,0,2903386.story

    Frankly, I'd rather he just be asleep.

    Yes the media is highlighting every problem now... but CLEARLY there are big time management issues that need to me fixed. Soon.
     
  13. JohnnyS

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    At night, how many planes are in the air? I don't think there are many, so their shifts are probably very long and very quiet. Anyone here actually know first hand how many planes, on average, these guys manage during the night?
     
  14. donv

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    #14 donv, Apr 19, 2011
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    Obviously it depends on where you are-- Memphis is busier at night than during the day.

    Much of the country is very, very quiet, though.

    Personally, I don't blame the guy for watching a movie. I bet that happens a lot. As long as he doesn't either do what he did, or have the volume so high that he can't hear his radio, I don't really think it matters. It's not like they are staring at the scope all the time, when there is only one or two aircraft many, many miles apart.

     
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  16. donv

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    The First Lady's airplane had to go around? The horror!

    She (or her staff, more likely) probably think they should have made the C-17 go around instead... but don't worry, there will be an investigation and some poor controller will have to do the carpet dance.

    Just so you know, airplanes go around every day. And this had nothing to do with controllers falling asleep or watching movies.

     
  17. kverges

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    It is a media feeding frenzy - I am confident they are actively looking for negative controller stories all the time. Negative press gets ratings and ad revenue. Make no mistake, modern press is as much about ratings and entertainment as it is about information, especially unbiased information.

    Note the press omits any story about the controllers who work hard every day or do something extraordinary. e.g.

    http://wilko.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/air-traffic-control-heroes/
     
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