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  1. TestShoot

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    Yes, the time has come, my step dad had me come by this week and we had the discussion about converting his house to solar. My first thought was "why the hell you telling me?" Then I thought it sounded cool, so I stayed for the lecture. Guess who has to oversee the project while the rest of the family is in Fiji or some**** like that.

    Pool filter first, then slap some panels on the pool house, then the main house.

    Anyone else living off the grid?
     
  2. WJHMH

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    Let us know how much is overall cost per sq ft., if I ever get a chance to build my own place I've given it some thought as well.
     
  3. Little Joe

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    The house my brother is currently building for himself is powered by solar and wind. He has a system that can handle a house twice the size. I will most likely look into it should I build a house in the future. He's in upstate NY, though.
     
  4. DrStranglove

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    Tried it at my place in Atlanta back in 2000.

    Unless things have REALLY changed, the end cost is more than anything even remotly saved. And you will still use "the grid" when you get cold. (Or hot.)
     
  5. RacerX_GTO

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    With regards to solar electric power, I never understood why the utility companies would help you get off their revenue machine. I just don't see them standing by, letting customers go offline while holding hands singing "everything is green!"
     
  6. DrStranglove

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    1) they will make money "helping" you switch
    2) they will still make money from you because the systems dont work very well
     
  7. Doody

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    apparently, in some parts of the country the grid is over-taxed, so the electric companies have incentive programs to get certain types of users and equipment off the grid. i believe CT has a rebate program to get big buildings to switch from electric-powered HVAC to natural-gas-powered HVAC, for example.

    the laws (federal? most states?) also require (?) the local utility to buy energy you produce in excess of your requirements. this helps feed the grid, which is also useful for over-taxed grids.

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    solar + heat trap + architectural design would get you there, I'd think.....
     
  10. DMC

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    I've looked into this a bit. If I were to do it, I wouldn't bother with the "off-grid" systems with batteries, instead I'd just use solar panels to offset electric usage at peak times. Makes the system much simpler. Panels haven't come down as much in price as people had hoped, I think I read somewhere it has to do with the price of silicon, but hoped for advancements in the next 5 years could produce big gains.

    GE Energy has some good pre-packaged residential systems.

    http://www.gepower.com/prod_serv/products/solar/en/prepkg_sys/index.htm

    Rickenbach's suggestion for geothermal is a good one, if I were doing new construction I'd definitely install a geothermal heat pump system. That plus solar panels would reduce grid usage to a minimum.

    Also check into federal and state incentives for installing solar, there are a lot of programs out there that will offest the installation cost. You can find a database of state incentves here:

    http://www.dsireusa.org/
     
  11. smg2

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    i've looked into it here, apperantly a neighbor near the green sued the HOA so he could do it. so we now have the choice. anyway cost is around 30k and there is some offset to where i'd pay something like 12~15k of it. it would take me more than 5 yrs to make it back though. my summer bills are 600~900 monthly and come winter it drops to less than a 100. however that's when the gas company comes and sticks me up for the other 500 :O
     
  12. Little Joe

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    I should have probably been more specific, but he has solar panels in a line the length of his roof on the daylight side. and he has the windmill about 30 ft. from the house. his house was built on the highest point on his property. he is completely off the grid.
     
  13. Dubai Vol

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    I'm no expert, and I didn't even spend last night in a Holiday Inn Express, but from what I do know, it's very difficult to make the numbers work for converting a conventional house to solar electric. Wind power helps in certain locations, but not anywhere I'd want to live!

    What you can do, if you're starting from scratch, is make the required heating and cooling load small enough that you don't need 30K in solar panels.

    I'm about to start building a house that will be essentially free to heat and cool, and my grid connection will power frivolous things like welders. I am not even contemplating any solar electric. Doesn't make sense economically.
     
  14. TestShoot

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    I made a comment the other day and almost got disowned. "How many panels will it take to power your 65" Plasma with that THX system?" (insert sound of needle scratching a record)

    In their mind (married couples share a brain), the system will pay for itself in 5-10 years, and since they are in their mid-50's, they will be around to see the savings. It however is a majority environmentally motivated move.

    Chopping block:
    Plasma
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    one of the 4 Tivos
    half the wine fridges

    Yeah, living in Palm Springs for the sake of wind power is not fun.
    They are kind of reshaping their habits.
    So you are going off-grid, and need a welder. Quonset hut?
     
  15. senna21

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    From what I've heard (and it's just that, I've heard ) prices on solar have really dropped in the past five to ten years. The technology has, as all technology does, progressed and is much more efficient.

    I also believe thanks to our Governor there should be some tax incentives for converting. Also, I believe here in California if your house is making more power than consuming you can sell the power to the state. Both help offset the cost of installing the systems.

    I could be wrong.
     
  16. TestShoot

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    you are correct. technology is better, and the state wants you to produce 10% more than you consume so they can resell it. there are tax credits and other incentives. being up in the hills of la canada, just above that smog level of downtown, the sun can be really clear and brutal so solar *could* work for him.
     

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